Multi-Loggers

[Korr]

So I have been thinking as I was playing and got a second NWN up and running on my other laptop. The ability to log in multiple account from one person makes the game very skewed.... Anyone with 2 or more keys and computers could easily set up a system of being able to bend the rules to their will. If I had three different accounts with toons that could fight and defend for the relics well say, I could easily run around on two toons and if I saw one in trouble, hide off on the 2nd toon and then relog a different account and 3rd toon when the first one died. I would be able to run up to the enemies unawares and nab the relic or catch them with their pants down because I would know exactly where they are heading... and more importantly EXACTLY where they were at the time. Whether they were resting and everything, this seems like it is a break to the rules... but last I recall the rules stated accounts not people. I know there are more people in the server who have the ability to do this... atleast 10 (guessing that there are a few I dont know). The simple solution is to not allow more than one connection from one IP address, but this also means that if my roommates want to play with me they cant. Another solution is to nail a CD-Key to an account, so that each account wound need a sepereate running NWN (multiple installs, or multiple computers). I dont think anything like this should be necessary, because then mule accounts become impossible. I do think however it is getting out of hand how some people are multi-logging to raid and defend. They play it off as "well its my roommate" but either way when 2 toons raid, then 1 relogs to help the other... thats 3 toon and at most 2 people. It is still venge-logging and against the rules.



I want this part to stand out : I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A FLAME-POST I WOULD LIKE SERIOUS DISCUSSION PLEASE!!!

[diddy33]

as for the account and CD key thing i don't think that would work, there are guild mules and keymasters i think a few people may login with.
banning people with same IP, that's not going to work either, psiber and i LAN party most of the time.
I myself don't duel log, but i thought this was legal, just not during relic raiding. because you have to wait 30 minutes before you can raid with another toon, i may be wrong on this though because i can't remember where/when or even if i seen this haha

I could easily run around on two toons and if I saw one in trouble, hide off on the 2nd toon and then relog a different account and 3rd toon when the first one died. I would be able to run up to the enemies unawares and nab the relic or catch them with their pants down because I would know exactly where they are heading... and more importantly EXACTLY where they were at the time.

i think that could fall under venge logging.

[Amoenotep]

we as dm's have a nice job and an array of toys to deal with ppl at any given time. as it stands we don't hammer out dual/triple loggers...unless the server is full.

once the server starts hitting capacity we start watching how many chars a player is using. also, if we find your dual logged char sitting idle somewhere..bad things happen to it.


and yeah, we know

[mgrjebbo]

Ok- This is how it works, server full 1 toon per player, otherwise there isnt an issue. Venge logging as you put is a thing of the past, most people these days particapate in PVP because its fun and dont get emotionaly involved. IF they do they dont belong in NS4...kinda like that DD that was going off last night on shout. My personal opinion is they should find another server because they are taking things way to seriously.

Oh and if you want to pay me back for the other copies of the game i purchased to play with then by all means suggest a "rude comment here" rule like this again.


My god where is Chase when you need him, cry babies are running amok around here these days, i feel like i am at a democratic convention or something.

[Alkapwn]

I agree with jebbo on most counts above. Dual loggers do have a significant advantage over non-dual'rs. It was gone over plenty of times when Fatzo's reign of smelliness would raid AO with one toon and get pwn'd then come in with his other account and raid. Its just screaming exploit imo. Must be nice to be your own best friend All in all I just think its poor sportsmanship when it comes pvp. A test of strength between 2 toons is what its all about isnt it?

[Gornickthy]

Dual logging takes a LOT of skill in order to do it well. It is also VERY useful for guild related activities such as keying new toons and logging mules. I would have to agree that as long as the server is not full then it should not be an issue. Besides, unless you are facing against a VERY good dual logger you actually have an upper hand as far as reaction time is concerned. I know of a few dual loggers that I have faced and really only won because I could react quicker and focus on the toon which didn't have the players full attention or ability to run.

Dual logging can also be fun beyond the normal routine. Anyone remember when Chase was in arms about a planar party in the Dwarf Plane of mixed enemy factions and Tal went in and killed the lot of them including his fellow IO? Yep, dual logging at its best. Even Chase gave me kudos for that one.

So ... DUAL LOGGERS FTW!!!!

[mgrjebbo]

Yeah you know when i have 5 computers going and i am spinning a hole in my floor trying to keep up with all those toons my attention is spread alittle thin.

And for those who have asked about my shout the other day, i am not really kim on the weekends,....... only mondays.

[Korr]

I am the DD that went on shout the other day, and asked simple questions and was told either "shut up" or "everthings fine" when the rules were obviously being broken. I think its sad that others when faced with strong adversity have to resort to logging in a different character to be able to win in an event... the only things I have ever done as a dual logger is run in 2 different parties or buff one of my toons with the other. Ive never had to stoop to the point of "Oh my character is gonna die, ill just relog this other one to take the relic he dropped"

[mgrjebbo]

I know you are that DD that’s why I said it in this topic....

By the way he didn’t relog for the 1009th time. Don’t stay on shout for an hour and a half spamming garbage and then come on the boards and start 2 topics about this when you are not even right in the first place. You’re wasting my time and you’re shorting the life of my keyboard as I furiously type my angry replies to your nonsense.

There were 2 DM's on if they didn’t do anything at the time because there were no rules broken and you have no screen shot to prove any of your accusations then I would say your purposely slandering others because you cant handle them in pvp.. that's just sad

Whatever happened to the silent DD's of the past like Red. Boy i miss that guy.

[Alkapwn]

Whatever happened to the silent DD's of the past like Red. Boy i miss that guy.

Red still plays almost everday lol. geez if you admire that quality so much you should adopt it for your own

[Korr]

No there were no DMs on at the time, they came about later... so dont talk like you know all. YOU came AFTER they came on.

[burrahobbit]

Many duel loggers only log in the other char for a quick curse or song, how is this legal? They curse you and log out b4 you can attack the other pc. You go back to beating on the original defender, he logs a cleric and heals, logs back out b4 you can attack the cleric. This is what they do to me anyway.

In other cases, they are defending, when theirr original toon is almost dead, they log it out and attack immediatly with thier other account, you almost kill the 2nd player and they log it out and bring back the first with full hitpoints and buffs still up. I dont really care about duel logging that much, i can do it too i spose but to me it seems an awful lot like cheating.

Sometimes the duel logger has several pure fighters at his/her disposal, he continually switches between logs and chars to keep a constant flow of fighter KD's coming your way, and the relogging seems to reset the 3 min cool down on fighter KD's. Technically they are breaking no rules that i can see, but it sure is annoying.

All 3 of these examples happened a long long time ago in several diffferent factions, and i have not had any problems in a while, but these are the tactics used by the dreaded dule logger.

[mgrjebbo]

Korr Kim was on the hole time as was I. You really should pick a story and get the facts togeather then try and make a case instead of making a case out of nothing then trying to find facts.

You remeber her asking you if you were telling her to turn her shout off? That was near then end i know but atleast you know she was on not after but during.

The dreaded dual logger as RPG put it above must be some kind of magician lol. I cant log that fast if my life depends on it.

i am laughing my arse off.... that is one talented dual logger your talking about. *cough* apparently non of the others care to hop in here and say a few words so i suppose i will repsond to all posts.

alk bud much love.

[burrahobbit]

Well, i guess i can name names if you want but i am too affraid of the mythical beast known as Jread dool-loger. He scares me. He is however that talented. Sometimes he even apologizes as i insult him for his evil ways. So really, he can not only log in and out faster that Speedy Gozales, he can type and cast and apologize quicker than i can kill him. It is truly a wonderful trick.
Well, maybe its not that great a trick, he sits a bard in the castle and logs him in and curses sings and logs him out. Takes about 5 seconds for me to relog, and i am not speedy, although i hope to someday be as kewl as him.
Like i said, not a big deal to me, but it does happen.

[Korr]

DM Kim told me she wasnt on to see it, and before you logged on I had said something well before that when it first happened (when we were still fighting him). It wasnt "oh he switched" so I run back to SL whining... I fought the fight and then when that was over I mentioned it over shout. I spent time talking to people in party and in tell before saying more than 1 thing in shout about it. I then talked with Kim and Anubis about it later, Ive said no lies here... and so please, as I said once before "play as you preach" I talked with these people and got their story before I ever posted anything.