War Cry

[Daedalus]

Firstly i would like to say i like the buffs to bard song, makes it much better, however it seems a shame that it is exactly the same as the level 1 cleric spell divine favour, they can get heaps more casts of it compared to a bard albeit bards can have it for a longer time if they take enough levels but it still seems a but unfair to the bards. One suggestion is possibly making it an area spell that affects allies, something that can boost up allies, though you may think this a bit much with song, but thought i'd suggest it nonetheless.

[Daltian]

I find war cry to be quite good, making it even better would be a bit too much imho.

[Shamed Monkey]

War Cry is an awesome spell, it gives +5 to Damage.

[-BannyD-]

are you kidding me? you want bards to be BUFFED?

most of the lvl 40s on this server are either a pure build or some type of 30bard/X/X variation. i think by just looking at the player list you can see how popular the class is. just look at the pure bard builds. they stand up to almost anything 1v1 and there arent even any pure bonuses in yet!

bards, imo, need to be nerfed. not something big, but something. i was thinking about it the other day and came up with limiting Curse Song to once/turn or something like that. that way when fighting a bard and their billions of curse songs, you can restore the curse away and get in a few regular attacks before you are crippled again (and yes...it is quite crippling).

maybe once/turn is too long (a turn = 6 rounds?) howbout once per 2-3rounds...3rounds for non pures, 2 for pure. ya that sounds good. it just prevents the bad from -immediately- spamming curse song on the target if he tries to restore the penalties away.

[Bargeld]

Old school house rules! Bards can only maintain 1 song at a time, singing a second song breaks the first, regardless if it is the same type of song or not.

[Daedalus]

all i was pointing out that it is the same as a lvl 1 cleric spell - making it Area of effect wont bolster the bard just his/her allies which is what bards are meant to do.

Also to the point of only 1 song at a time - it would make curse song pointless really barring minus a bit of dmg and skills. cause ac/ab wont matter if you put it on yourself or curse the enemy as they are usually the same amount.

Well it was just a thought, i guess it aint gonna happen

[-BannyD-]

well yea war cry is a what, lvl 3 spell? divine favor is lvl 1...but it can only last for 1 turn per cast, or 2 per cast if you are using lvl 2 slots. warcry can last 80rounds and is one of the few bard spells that can be cast with arcane failure on

[LinuxPup]

warcry can last 80rounds and is one of the few bard spells that can be cast with arcane failure on

If memory serves, 1.69 fixes that...

[Daedalus]

duration caps at 20 bard doesnt it so 30 round max extended whle divine favour is max 15 rounds - also war cry is lvl 4 not 3

[Daltian]

duration caps at 20 bard doesnt it so 30 round max extended whle divine favour is max 15 rounds - also war cry is lvl 4 not 3

No it doesn't. Max duration is 80 rounds for lvl 40 bard if extended.

[Tsavong]

warcry can last 80rounds and is one of the few bard spells that can be cast with arcane failure on

If memory serves, 1.69 fixes that...

yeah i think it dose, though im not sure it should as your just yelling it i would have thought

[Lorkar]

They are fixing something that needs no fixing. Warcry has only verbal, no somatic so arcane failure should be ignored.

[Korr]

6 seconds = 1 round
1 turn = 10 rounds (or 1 minute)

Limiting the cursing a bard can do?
Why dont we make it so wizzies can only cast 1 IGMS every 3 rounds
OR
Wizzies can only cast 1 bigsby every 3 rounds
OR
Cleric can only cast 1 WoF every 3 rounds
OR
Change the bonuses/minuses to the bard song script as a change to bards...

That way you change the effects of the song, not how its implemented.

I like Bargelds Idea though, either you can buff up party or you can curse enemy. There were ways around that in real D&D though, you can play a harp (maybe instead of a shield for NWN) and sing a song... therefore you can have 2 simultaneous songs. Also in D&D you cant cast while you sing if it has verbal components, or you cant cast songs with somatic components if youre playing an instrument

[Daltian]

LOL. This will end up with nerfing of bards.

[DM_Kim]

Mistress Kim yells her WarCry while holding her Ban Stick: "HOW LONG??!!" Then ponders: "Most effective WarCry of all".