Spot/listen part two.

[Thorac]

kain can you explain how you came to 139 spot please ? make it simple for the poor Drow please

[disastro]

kain can you explain how you came to 139 spot please ? make it simple for the poor Drow please

he is mistakenly counting on the aasamir aura to actually be useful in combat

and from direct experience i know that an elf listener with 109 real listen is not enough. there are four active sd toons that are invisible to my "listener" (lol!) (and only 3 of those 4 are bard/sd).

of course, if you can find some of those ridiculous SDs that tep beats with no listen or spot, then hey maybe you'll get lucky

[Amoenotep]

i said in the past with now listen/spot..now my girl has about 100 listen. so she catches the easy ones.


its the tactics that win, not the cutter building.

[Thorac]

ok trying to work this out bear with me spot build = elf,alertness feat,skill focus spot,epic skill focus spot,40+ wis,40th lvl max spot,epic spell focus divination,true seeing,clairaudience/clairvoyance,helm= 2+2+3+10+20+43+30+10+9=129 that sound about right?

[disastro]

ok trying to work this out bear with me spot build = elf,alertness feat,skill focus spot,epic skill focus spot,40+ wis,40th lvl max spot,epic spell focus divination,true seeing,clairaudience/clairvoyance,helm= 2+2+3+10+20+43+30+10+9=129 that sound about right?

with epic focus divination and true seeing/clair you cap your spot at +50. helm will do nothing for you. the elf +2 skill affinity i think is one of those situational modifiers that does not contribute towards any cap.

yep.. those 6 spot feats & build choices should get you right into the "effective around 40% of the time" range. provided you dont get curse songed

[Thorac]

ok thought epic spell focus divination gives 30 to spot from true seeing then 15 from clair that right? 40% of the time wtf lol, well someone tell me how to spot a good sd all the time then becasue if its not doable then someone in the dev/mod department has stuffed up BIG time.

[disastro]

ok thought epic spell focus divination gives 30 to spot from true seeing then 15 from clair that right? 40% of the time wtf lol,...

epic div gives +20 spot from clair, not 15.

spot vs hide being equal, you have a 50% shot (it comes down to the d20 roll). elf gives you a +2 edge, if they're small they get +4 i believe, and every point is basically a 5% difference in chance.

if its night / outdoors your chances go down. if they light a torch /its daytime/etc, your chances go up.

there's no way to spot a good sd all the time. however you can bypass the whole business by spamming aoe spells or shifting into a bioware true seeing form (the folks that propose these alternatives essentially admit that spot as a skill is busted). the only difference is that they blow 2 feats to get to that point, and you blow 6.

[Thorac]

ok thanx for explaining that...
( decides to give up on listen/spot builds seems pointless )

[disastro]

you can make a go of listen, but it will have to be a high wisdom bard.

[P. Fricebottle]

Actually the crux is: either you're elf or not. If you are, you got a good chance of spotting or listening, if not you rely too much on chance and a crappy implemented system of finding the hiding character. Although the aasimar aura helps, it is better to have a specialized elf on your side.

And now you know why I hate Shadowdancers so much. RK has a hell of a time trying to kill them.

[kain124]

kain can you explain how you came to 139 spot please ? make it simple for the poor Drow please

Sure 99 spot plus 40 effectively with aasimar light = 139. If it doesn't work that way then it is broken, period end of discussion, because that is the way it is advertised.

[Celorn]

kain can you explain how you came to 139 spot please ? make it simple for the poor Drow please

Sure 99 spot plus 40 effectively with aasimar light = 139. If it doesn't work that way then it is broken, period end of discussion, because that is the way it is advertised.

Yep.. from what I've seen it works fine. A SD attacks an aasimar and everyone who's looking can see him.

Also I took my SD and walked into the aura and watched the hide&ms drop right down!

Doesn't quite work for ranged attacking SDs tho. ;P