Time crystals

Nolan Silvermoon · Post by **Nolan Silvermoon** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:06 am

In regards to the time stop spammers, which I've seen some people comment on, and which there are more of them than what you think. I would suggest making the crystals weigh more ie:(10-15 lbs). That way a wizard would be restricted to carry just a few instead a whole screens worth. It would be fair across the board also, since it doesnt pinpoint any one faction, it would affect us all.

Merrip · Post by **Merrip** » Wed May 16, 2007 4:38 am

Even then, with the +12 with items and buffs, it would be easy to rework an inventory to still carry them. Not to mention if you find a +2-+4 str book

I mean my dexer can buff herself to carry over 400 lb that is like 20 Time Crystals and leaves 100lb for her low lb cloth items

So yeah, I honestly think the biggest issue is that they are found in such large numbers, I mean I have come out of one areas with like 8 of them once I sell them though, 16k each is nice

Post by **Malik** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:38 am

I like the weight idea, sure theres ways around it, but it still could prove to be a nuisance.

Wolfarus · Post by **Wolfarus** » Wed May 16, 2007 8:42 am

So we're conviently forgetting that the only reason that more wiz's are TS spamming is because with the absurd amount of + death save items, the only option left to them to be a significant threat in pvp is igms + timestop?

Maybe if wiz's got tokens that forced enemy fighters to stop bull rushing them and spamming with kd's, then making TS harder to use would be balanced

"please, good sir knight, stand there for 3-7 rounds and let me lob igms at you. otherwise i'll be forced to use timestop to achieve the desired duration to use my one still-effective spell on you"

enemy fighter-type : "sure, no problem"

PS : and yer also convinetly forgetting that even when you face a time-spammer, time crystals are a finite resource. There IS a fixed amount that the wiz has in his inventory. Where as there is no fixed amount of weapon swings or kd attempts the fighter can use on the wizard. My wiz on reflec is a good example. If im just facing one opponent (usually in a raid or counter raid situation) i'll go thru 3-5 tc's, depending on the class /hps of my adversary, and how many timestop's i put into my book. If said person wants to be stubborn about it and keep raiding, i can easily burn thru 20+ crystals in 1/2 hour (also depending on how close he binded to NS)

So instead of whining about the only truly viable tactic wiz's have left on the server, against any sort of opponent, start thinking strategy against them. Make it a pvp war of attrition. They'll run out of tc's faster then you think, then its over.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Wed May 16, 2007 9:05 am

Wolfarus wrote:PS : and yer also convinetly forgetting that even when you face a time-spammer, time crystals are a finite resource. There IS a fixed amount that the wiz has in his inventory. Where as there is no fixed amount of weapon swings or kd attempts the fighter can use on the wizard. My wiz on reflec is a good example. If im just facing one opponent (usually in a raid or counter raid situation) i'll go thru 3-5 tc's, depending on the class /hps of my adversary, and how many timestop's i put into my book. If said person wants to be stubborn about it and keep raiding, i can easily burn thru 20+ crystals in 1/2 hour (also depending on how close he binded to NS)

So instead of whining about the only truly viable tactic wiz's have left on the server, against any sort of opponent, start thinking strategy against them. Make it a pvp war of attrition. They'll run out of tc's faster then you think, then its over.

You don't PvP much anymore do you? Yes, they are an infinite resource. I could get you a shot of -BB-'s Mule just for Time Crystals. It has absolutely nothing but pages and pages of Time Crystals + Boxes with Time Crystals in them.

Its not a matter of them running out of Time Crystals, but rather a matter of them running out of slotted Time Stops. You don't run out of Time Crystals. Period.

Wolfarus · Post by **Wolfarus** » Wed May 16, 2007 12:10 pm

I still think its just a matter of being stubborn and raiding over and over again. Even if said mage has nothing BUT tc's in their inventory, they WILL run out of them eventually. Do you run out of kd's? no.

Just a matter of patience and putting in the time / effort to get those relics. So sorry if you want your bonus w/o having to earn it

(notice that you didnt debate my comment about wiz's being forced to use the ts / bigs combo to be of any significance in pvp. Only other flavor ive seen that works just as well, in its own way, is an evo-based bigs mage)

Take out a good chuck of the +death save items, and you'll prob see less TS usage.

Rummybum · Post by **Rummybum** » Wed May 16, 2007 12:29 pm

I just sell the darn things they make me rich. No one of my faction or any allied group has any use for them.

What was that first thing about it being fair because it would burden all equally if they were heavy? Keep em light so I can haul em to frostdale 20 at a time to sell.

If you all just make peace... come join the Northern Coalition and The circle be a friend to Aetheria and to each other. Than you won't have to worry about it.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Wed May 16, 2007 1:18 pm

i've seen players with pages upon pages of time crystals...makes me laugh when thatst he only way they can win in a fight.

i'm not sure how some of you guys are building your mages, but there are more spells than time stop/igms combo...personally i try to stay away from it because it gets watered down on 2nd and 3rd targets.

i once built a mage that tanked a fighter, cheese cleric, rogue, and a bard all at once...timestop was disabled...igms was watered down... it can be done, and i didn't even fall down once

Nolan Silvermoon · Post by **Nolan Silvermoon** » Wed May 16, 2007 2:26 pm

Wow, as the forum implies, my thread was just a suggestion, it was not an attack on any one person . But it's funny how some people take it so. I figured someone would slam it, but i didnt realize that i'd be called a whiner (lol).

So instead of whining about the only truly viable tactic wiz's have left on the server, against any sort of opponent, start thinking strategy against them. Make it a pvp war of attrition. They'll run out of tc's faster then you think, then its over.

By the way, it was a suggestion, not a whine...... thanks for your input

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:31 pm

Wolfarus wrote:I still think its just a matter of being stubborn and raiding over and over again. Even if said mage has nothing BUT tc's in their inventory, they WILL run out of them eventually. Do you run out of kd's? no.

I used to have the exact same philosophy Wolfarus, that they must run out sometime. But raids after raids after raids, this has never happened in my entire history of Relic Raiding. And you all know how active I tend to be with Relic Raiding...

Merrip · Post by **Merrip** » Wed May 16, 2007 5:54 pm

The whole thing is even if they lower how often you can find them, people will still mule them *shrugs*

I would make an xp penalty on it and see if they spam it as much.

The main thing I hate is when an entire battle is nothing but Time Stop *inserts random spamming spell* and then it is over before you move two steps ....

It is just annoying and stupid and shows how little they can play there character.

minielvis · Post by **minielvis** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:51 pm

TS is powerful, we all know it.

Nolan's idea is simple, wide reaching and easy to implement.
The weight idea seems to have a touch of realism.

I vote "yes".

Blystos Re · Post by **Blystos Re** » Wed May 16, 2007 9:43 pm

Another vote for heavy time crystals.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Wed May 16, 2007 10:04 pm

so...+1 clubs and armor with 50% bludgeon vulnerability?

Nolan Silvermoon · Post by **Nolan Silvermoon** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:31 am

Sounds good