medium armor and large shields

[Aarkon Draco]

there is a whole plethora of heavy armor and tower shields but medium armor and large shields are somewhat lacking bucklers too for that matter.

i was thinking perhaps we could use the ave anvil to change items into other types IE you put in the highlords armor and you get a choice of what type you want it changed to limit it to one catagory type shift ( heavy can only be made into medium not light, tower shields conversly can be made into either large or bucklers )

this would alieviate the lack of med armor and non tower shields and be a relativly easy change for some dev to do.

if this doesent appeal to you devs and DMs then we do need some more medium armor and shields to be made and added to the server especaly with the pure class barbar bonuses there will be more barbars needing medium armor.

[Blystos Re]

[LinuxPup]

Just yesterday I found some Armor of the Cimmerian which has some really nice stats... +2 to all saves, +7 discipline, and +7 taunt being some of them... although its only usable by Barbarians or folks with enough UMD. Also the Death Chain medium armor from Negative Plane is really nice.

Most people don't use Medium Armor cause it sucks. I guess armor like the Cimmerian is only tempting to use because the stats on it are so good... I think there's plenty of special medium armor, but I don't think there's any generic medium armor... like IA or golden mithril.

The Chanter's Shroud would rule if it weren't light armor... guess that's the catch.

[VagaStorm]

Ther drops some medium armours in zons, and alzara guardians drops some. But realy, dosent barbs usualy take heavy armour feat?

[Rummybum]

There was a time that the mules were loaded with +4 and +5 medium armor. Is that no longer the case? Check it out Aarkon, I bet there is stone, storm and several others.

There is such a powerful anti armor slant in the rules themselves that I always seem to have tons of armor to sell.

[mgrjebbo]

the problem is medium armor BLOWS!, not the mods on it just the ac of it.

the fact that it is medium is what makes it weak. your either going to spend a feat to get heavy or go dexer and use light. is there really any other option if you want to be a decent pvp build?

[kgb]

your either going to spend a feat to get heavy or go dexer and use light. is there really any other option if you want to be a decent pvp build?

Um yes!

With a base Dex of 12 (with a cats grace) or 13 without and basic imb mithril boots you have reached the +4 dex limit by level 16. Yes it is a fact that medium armor suffers a whopping -1AC - 8 vs Plate's 9 but a medium dex (13-16) adds flexibility of going plate through to padded.

You don't necessarily have to take the extremes it is quite easy to make a 30 Str monster with a 14 dex running around in medium armor. There are actually quite a lot of nice medium armors (including hide ones - loss of 2 AC) which make up for it in skills, comparable resists and saves/regen)

[LinuxPup]

Other than the fact that a +4 dex AC bonus on medium armor slightly helping vs. touch attacks....

It seems that medium armor for the most part goes into category of gear that's mainly used for novelty... like clubs, double axes, and such.

Perhaps if there were more incentive to use it... like maybe some sort of bonus when used with two-handed weapons or +2 con bonus or something people would be more inclinded to use them...

Some medium armor with the Still Spell feat on it would be cool for strength-based bards.

[mgrjebbo]

aye they need to make +7 or +8 medium armor if they want anyone to use it. or just give it some 30% resist bonus's

[Merrip]

I noticed the title says Large Shield as well ...

Honestly the only times I use the lesser shields/armors is for less arcane spell failure.

[VagaStorm]

I noticed the title says Large Shield as well ...

Honestly the only times I use the lesser shields/armors is for less arcane spell failure.

Yes, but large shields are probably in use quite a bit, as the litle ppl only have access to those.

[Aarkon Draco]

exactly vaga halfings and gnomes cant use tower shields. granted usaly a halfling or gnome is a class that realy doesent use shields but a little wider selectin for the exceptions would be nice

[Trogdorbob]

i have to agree with the comments made here that medium armour need some sort of bonus to make it worth while to use. Otherwise they become a cash card and no one ones it. I have a build that uses medium armour and i dont play him much as i have to go to the negative energy plane to get the highest rating medium armour as seen yet. Other than that my so called "tank" isnt much of a tank cause of that problem. I like the comment of putting stillspell on a shield or armour. That would be cool for bards at least . Shields though... its either dual or onehanded melee, i have no other comment.

[Celorn]

i have one toon that uses the med armor from neg plane... it's pretty decent, so long as you have enough of a dex boost to fill out the 4 ac from dex, it's almost as good as heavy.

More than just med armor and shields, I would like to see more +5 and +6 small and tower shields as well with DIFFERENT damage resists, like sonic, fire, etc... seems like most of the lvl25+ gear is cold resist, which is great, but a little more variety would be nice.

[Lorkar1]

What would be really sweet would be a little more customization of crafted items. A menu type approach that would allow 1 item from A, 1 from B and so on. So if you wanted a particular damage or damage resistance you could choose it. Or being able to split your resistances or damages but not exceed the total you would get from one type (ie: if you got 10 sonic resist you could instead take 5 acid and 5 poison).