Books of Learning

[Lorkar1]

This is an idea along the lines of the stat books although I don't know the feasability of it.

I was thinking of a book that gives a feat.

The feats would be random and the books would be as scarce as stat books making any one feat much rarer due to the randomness.
All feats would still be bound by the rules governing the server and NWN.
ie: the feat of increased multiplier would not stack on top of the WM feat increased multiplier.

I would include all feats in the mix so you had a chance to get less desirable feats as well as great feats.

I would scale the xp loss to use according to the usefulness of the feat overall.
ie: keen sense maybe 1000xp whereas Epic Warding would be 30000xp

The books would follow the same path progression as stat books. No epic feat books in non-epic areas.

I speak for myself when I say this but I get psyched when I find a stat book.
I can barely imagine how stoked I would be to find a feat book I could use on a guy that normally wouldn't have access to it.
ie: an Arcane Archer getting the Increased Multiplier feat for a ranged weapon.

[Flailer]

No, don't see this happening. Feats are there for a tradeoff.

If I had it to do over again, I'd probably limit the stat books to 1 and 2 point increases instead of 2 and 4 point increases as it is.

[kingfatzo]

hehehe, i strongly agree with flailer

[Squikker2001]

Yikes, rogues going around with x3 kukris and a 10-20 threat range with sneaks...

Not to mention people would probably just hoard books that have the energy resistance feats and making alot of higher level mobs drastically less effective against them.

[Flailer]

Now, the part where I *can* see something like this being used is once you hit level 40, being able to buy more and more feats/stats/skills for certain amounts of XP, effectively allowing you to get level 50 etc chars.

But, that's not going to happen either. So, moot point all the same.

[Lorkar1]

Now, the part where I *can* see something like this being used is once you hit level 40, being able to buy more and more feats/stats/skills for certain amounts of XP, effectively allowing you to get level 50 etc chars.

Now thats just mean man, mean Dangling the carrot like that.

To address squikkers statement, given the scarcity of a stat book and then adding in 200 or so feats(just a guess).
Realistically, what are the chances of people getting any particular one to hoard?
I mean what are the odds of a book dropping now, 1 in 500 or more maybe? So to get any particular feat book the odds would be astronomical. I was never advocating giving them away.
I realize this isnt going to happen so I am just hypothezing here, maybe make them boss only drops with the same frequency, that would make them ultra-rare. And maybe decrease frequency of the more coveted feats.

[VagaStorm]

If this ever goes in, it shoul be ONLY non epic feats. Any one feal like beating down a dwarven defender fith epic warding and epic dodge? I think not :p Where as most non epic feats are not so totaly over powering, sure it's nice to have wep focus in an extra wepon or that +4 to a skill, but I dont think ther are any pre epic feats that are totaly over powering. Atlest not if you rule out the class spesific ones. No increased multiplyer, dd dmg reduction or monk speed for ya!

Anyways, wouldent an extra feat on a char invalidate it?

[kingfatzo]

sooo flailer....how many books can i buy

[Lorkar1]

Any one feal like beating down a dwarven defender fith epic warding and epic dodge? I think not :p

And given the scarcity of the book, how many of these do you actually think you would see running around hypothetically speaking?

Anyways, wouldent an extra feat on a char invalidate it?

That is why I prefaced my post with the first sentence.

[P. Fricebottle]

No, just...no. I mean, its a nice idea but its not what NS4 isn't about. This would bring about what people have been afraid of, NS4 turning into NS3.5. We don't want a "1337" server with the people who have characters that have used 10 books, and are just so darn unbeatable its ridiculous.

The server was meant to be balanced, every build has a counter, every build has a strong point. Sometimes gear can cover some weak spots, sometimes books can improve strong points. With feat books, people could have builds with no counter and it would be chaos. The fun thing about NWN itself is balancing your character, deciding what feat to take and which one you have to live without. The fact that some gear gave feats on NS3.5 is enough reason why people don't want that kind of stuff here.

[Lorkar1]

I was never thinking of unbalancing the server. And people seem to miss the point of rarity and the inclusion of the "crappy" feats as well as the good feats. When you take the sheer number of feats combined with the rarity of any single book the probability of getting the feat you want is incalculable in my opinion.(I really hate repeating myself)
How long do you think it would take for one player to find all of the feats he wanted to twink out his one toon anyways? It would a neverending quest to regain the lost XP(unless you happen to be Fatzo). Hell the books would probably be held as trading material to get a boat load of items anyways because most people either like to have stuff like that as trophies or as bargaining chips.

This was all just an idea anyways, hence it being posted in the ideas and suggestions. The whole purpose was to get people thinking. I thought it neat idea and since it hasnt been posted I did just that.

I can see some of your points though, lucky aim is way unbalanced as is overwhelming crit with all of those mass crit weapons out there.
Oh yeah I almost forgot spell focus illusion, real gamebreaker there.

OK I am all done with the rant. Game on.

[kingfatzo]

aye it is a relly cool idea, but....as fricebottle said, not here, it would throw off everything

[Celorn]

I don't think it'd be TOO bad if it had 2 simple rules:

1. You can only use 1 feat tome
2. You must be able to take the feat normally.

That way you couldn't have a paladin/cot with epic mage armor or warding...