Ok, after hearing all the fun stuff on shout i figured i would make a post.
It seems to me there have been atleast 5 crashes, 4 while i was on, in the last 4 days do to shifters.
I know this is a popular class, but so were familars to wizard and sorc builds.
It seems to be that the only reasonable and logical thing to do is to remove them as an option for play until their bugs are worked out. It is not fair to the other 30 or so players on the server if 1 person who happens to be a shifter dies and crashes the server.
I am not saying anything is being exploited but the possiblity for that is huge aslong as those bugs exist.
To those who play shifters, do you belive its fair to others on the server to loose xp and gold and items if you forget to unshift when your about to die? My answer to that question is no.
A possible soultion is just to make the reflection server the only place for shifters to be until they are totaly worked out.
Shifters.... the bane of the server
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Amoenotep
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i think any shifters that happen to crash the server should post on the boards all the info they can so that we can try and track down this mysterious bug. other than that the rash of crashes was from a druid who didn't know about the shifter crash thing..so when he was low on hp would shift into a form to try and stay alive a little longer.
once enough people start reading the boards and/or caring about their fellow players, maybe they will go with another build until the problem is worked out...
and no.....designating a certian server for a certian build will never happen
and no.....designating a certian server for a certian build will never happen
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MasterYoda
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first off where do you even come off saying to put the shifters on reflections?
just cause you don't play there you feel there problems shouldn't be fixed rather pushed on other people?
wow... that was the dumbest suggestion I have ever heard.
that's like saying I can't figure out how to deal with pms so there not allowed on reflections.
we deal with shifter probs too. for u to ask that a server be segregated with a problem so you can still play is retarded and makes no sense.
the prob needs t be fixed not pushed aside like jigga who suggests.
I got a idea , y don't u make a toon on reflections? seems a lot easier don't y think?
just cause you don't play there you feel there problems shouldn't be fixed rather pushed on other people?
wow... that was the dumbest suggestion I have ever heard.
that's like saying I can't figure out how to deal with pms so there not allowed on reflections.
we deal with shifter probs too. for u to ask that a server be segregated with a problem so you can still play is retarded and makes no sense.
the prob needs t be fixed not pushed aside like jigga who suggests.
I got a idea , y don't u make a toon on reflections? seems a lot easier don't y think?
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lol it was a thought yoda, and i dont take offence to your rudeness sir, all i ask is that you come up with ideas to combat the problem instead of blasting others.
and the refection is not ns4 main, not as important, not the server that is largley advertised. that is why i thought of that. i think of it as an overflow server and nothing else.
the reason i suggested that is i know not a hole lot of people play over there yet and if they were to use that server to work out shifter bugs it would cause alot less interuption on ns4 main thats all.
On a side note this was meant to be a serious thread not a flame war. If you disagree with me that is fine, send me a pm if you wish, but please do not post how stupid or ignorant anothers idea's may be. Post some ideas of your own.
Lets not turn people away from sharing their thoughts on this topic for fear that all they will get in return is insults. Lets have a free thought forum here for once guys leave the attitudes and the egos at home.
and the refection is not ns4 main, not as important, not the server that is largley advertised. that is why i thought of that. i think of it as an overflow server and nothing else.
the reason i suggested that is i know not a hole lot of people play over there yet and if they were to use that server to work out shifter bugs it would cause alot less interuption on ns4 main thats all.
On a side note this was meant to be a serious thread not a flame war. If you disagree with me that is fine, send me a pm if you wish, but please do not post how stupid or ignorant anothers idea's may be. Post some ideas of your own.
Lets not turn people away from sharing their thoughts on this topic for fear that all they will get in return is insults. Lets have a free thought forum here for once guys leave the attitudes and the egos at home.
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So judging by your comment, we on Reflections are second class players. To say the players on Reflections are not as important as the players on Prime is just as offensive as you believe Yoda's comment to be. It is identical, hence the name reflection. As far as what you think of it, who are you to determine a servers importance? I have several toons on Prime but I have chosen to build on Reflections due to the simple ability of being able to play when I want to and less lag in general.
As far as the numbers go I have seen increasing numbers on Reflection. And on several occasions there were more on Reflections than Prime.
And to make a suggestion...maybe the shifter script on 3.5 could be looked at, I seem to recall some similar shifter problems on 3.5 back in January and I believe that was straightened out, since I have seen to GotD on west which consist entirely shifter and druids.
As far as the numbers go I have seen increasing numbers on Reflection. And on several occasions there were more on Reflections than Prime.
And to make a suggestion...maybe the shifter script on 3.5 could be looked at, I seem to recall some similar shifter problems on 3.5 back in January and I believe that was straightened out, since I have seen to GotD on west which consist entirely shifter and druids.
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I wasn't blasting u I stated my feelings on your suggestion.
and yes there has been lots of times where reflections has ben populated even more than prime.
with this being said and since there is no way I could immagine how to fix the shifter thing why not just make the server pause and fully save everything on the erve say once an hour?
I have seen this on other servers where all of a sudden a loading screen comes up and it says saving char.
doesn't take longer than a transition and if scueduled once a hour then worst case scenario u loose a hours worth of play time rather than hours and hours of time.
and as for reflections let me give u some insight.
same exact server but since there are less people on both servers now it brings other guilds / players a different place to play wih the same server.
there are dominant guilds still but not as many high levels yet.
there is no second rate players here and as a matter of fact there are tons of good players who play here.
it isn't a place to dump things or problems or to guinea pig new things.
its the same with a different player baed story line.
instead of slaves and tlb going at it its tlb/kst and io going at it *tips hat to io* who have become a dominant force on reflections just as much as tlb is on prime.
and no offense to you on your post I was just trying to point out that the dms have worked hard to duplicate and fire has taken his own box and made it a server and I felt it was offensive for you to state that the problem should be dumped on a server with a solid player base.
and yes there has been lots of times where reflections has ben populated even more than prime.
with this being said and since there is no way I could immagine how to fix the shifter thing why not just make the server pause and fully save everything on the erve say once an hour?
I have seen this on other servers where all of a sudden a loading screen comes up and it says saving char.
doesn't take longer than a transition and if scueduled once a hour then worst case scenario u loose a hours worth of play time rather than hours and hours of time.
and as for reflections let me give u some insight.
same exact server but since there are less people on both servers now it brings other guilds / players a different place to play wih the same server.
there are dominant guilds still but not as many high levels yet.
there is no second rate players here and as a matter of fact there are tons of good players who play here.
it isn't a place to dump things or problems or to guinea pig new things.
its the same with a different player baed story line.
instead of slaves and tlb going at it its tlb/kst and io going at it *tips hat to io* who have become a dominant force on reflections just as much as tlb is on prime.
and no offense to you on your post I was just trying to point out that the dms have worked hard to duplicate and fire has taken his own box and made it a server and I felt it was offensive for you to state that the problem should be dumped on a server with a solid player base.
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Well I agree that it should not just be pushed over to Reflections because they have the right to enjoy regular play as well as NS4 main does.
There have been many instances where DMs and Devs have stated that it is unfair for one group or one player to be allowed to do something that causes problems or issues for the rest of the player base or "community".
I think this is an issue that greatly causes loss of gametime and other issues such as loss of gear and such. I would think that a class that causes loss of gametime(as well as xp earned) is a definate detrement to the rest of the community and should be removed until repaired if only to be fair to the rest of the community.
I think it is unfair to ask the entire playerbase to have to check every few minutes to see if they are going to lose their xp or items because a shifter may have logged on.
I do the saving and checking for shifters but there are new players who may not know about the bug and they either build a shifter and unknowingly cause the crash or they are affected by a shifter crash and lose levels and get discouraged and leave the server, and there's always the one shifter who blatantly says he doesn't care and causes the crash...
Either way it affects the whole playerbase in a negative way..maybe there's a way the shifters could be removed until they are made stable.
There have been many instances where DMs and Devs have stated that it is unfair for one group or one player to be allowed to do something that causes problems or issues for the rest of the player base or "community".
I think this is an issue that greatly causes loss of gametime and other issues such as loss of gear and such. I would think that a class that causes loss of gametime(as well as xp earned) is a definate detrement to the rest of the community and should be removed until repaired if only to be fair to the rest of the community.
I think it is unfair to ask the entire playerbase to have to check every few minutes to see if they are going to lose their xp or items because a shifter may have logged on.
I do the saving and checking for shifters but there are new players who may not know about the bug and they either build a shifter and unknowingly cause the crash or they are affected by a shifter crash and lose levels and get discouraged and leave the server, and there's always the one shifter who blatantly says he doesn't care and causes the crash...
Either way it affects the whole playerbase in a negative way..maybe there's a way the shifters could be removed until they are made stable.
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So on top of taking the druid/ranger companions from the TC players, you're also taking the shifting abilities of our druidic players? Jeez, thanks guys. I really appreciate how willing you are to destroy the builds of the entire TC community. Does the system have problems? Sure. But the shifter bug is far from the only problem TC players have. For one thing, there's the TC jobs that should have been put in before NS4 came out of Beta. You'll have to forgive me if I think that we have enough planes for now, and that it's perfectly acceptable for the devs to finish a job that should have been done a long time ago, instead of adding more toys that may or may not even be used in the long run.
Not that I don't appreciate what they're doing, it's just that I think that they really ought to finish up the lower level stuff before getting into the epic toys.
Not that I don't appreciate what they're doing, it's just that I think that they really ought to finish up the lower level stuff before getting into the epic toys.
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