Bonus crafting levels for certain prestige classes.

[Binkyuk]

I've heard that something big is planned for crafting not too far over the horizon, so this may be a bit redundant, but i thought i'd float the idea anyway.

We all know that it's almost impossible to make a MA fletching Arcane Archer because you need 19 levels of AA, which you can only get at 29, so...

Make AA levels count double toward fletching.
and (probably more controversially)
Make Harper Scout count double toward leather, tailoring and fletching (and possibly make eligible for MA leather and tailoring).

This might make the HS class somewhat useful for something and fits quite well with the 'self sufficiency' motif of the class.

You can only get 10 AA levels by 18 anyway, so that'd fit quite well with current crafting rules.

To prevent people from abusing the effect to make, say, a 6/1/7 ranger/?/AA and become a MA fletcher at 14, you'd have to <edit: see below>.

[Elagneros]

It is possible to get MA fletching by just using a pure ranger. However, when I did it, I used a tiefling before darkness was nerfed. Probably more difficult now, because rangers are the weakest core class on this server.

What would be good would be allowing WMs to get MA in weaponcrafting long with fighters, since 19 levels of fighter isn't all that hot. Possibly allow barbarians MA in martial crafting as well.

[Binkyuk]

yes, tiefling darkness is how i did it before too. i'm not looking forward to remaking my fletcher either.
though that's a bit beside the point. i wasn't implying that you couldn't reach MA, my point was that AAs are *the* archer class, even more than ranger, so not being able to realistically make a fletcher out of one is a bit silly.

[Binkyuk]

since 19 levels of fighter isn't all that hot.

i didn't mind it not being an awesome build, the problem was that i had to get 3 fighters to level 19. my brain nearly melted with boredom.

i think WM crafters have been discussed before in other threads and discarded though.

[mgrjebbo]

do paladins count as fighters if say one takes 20 level of pali can he reach MA level weapons crafting?

[Alain]

no, paladins are on the list of classes which cannot be artist in anything.

[mgrjebbo]

oi poor me

[Elagneros]

since 19 levels of fighter isn't all that hot.

i didn't mind it not being an awesome build, the problem was that i had to get 3 fighters to level 19. my brain nearly melted with boredom.

I hear you. I'm in no rush to remake my weapon and armor crafters either, since the stuff they can make isn't that good.

[Binkyuk]

To prevent people from abusing the effect to make, say, a 6/1/7 ranger/?/AA and become a MA fletcher at 14, you'd have to disable the doubling from prestige classes from stacking with other eligible class levels.

i decided this is overcomplicated. easier to prevent abuse is to add the bonus levels, but in any case don't allow the effective crafting level to be higher than your character level.
so a 6/1/7 ranger/?/AA will have 6+7x2=20 levels of MA fletching ability, but capped to 14 because that's his character level.
OTOH a 6/3/10 rogue/bard/AA will have 10x2=20 effective crafting levels in fletching and has a character level of 19, so he will be able to become a MA fletcher.

[Myrdyr]

How about just computing the levels that apply to crafting as AA levels +7 because it actually takes at least 7 levels of other classes before you can choose AA (because of the BAB 6 + Arcane caster requirements)?

There are currently no other prestige classes that are eligible for Master Artisan, but something similar could be used if needed for the other prestige classes that can go beyond level 3:

Harper: +5
Shifter & Weaponmaster: +0 since they are only eligible for lvl 4 crafting unless they've multiclassed with something eligible for higher.

[Core]

how about makeing a pure ranger archer (Fletcher Crafter), it's pretty easy. Plus you get dex bonus spell, if it's only going to be a crafter, it's quick and easy to get to MA with one.

[Binkyuk]

how about makeing a pure ranger archer (Fletcher Crafter), it's pretty easy. Plus you get dex bonus spell, if it's only going to be a crafter, it's quick and easy to get to MA with one.

though that's a bit beside the point. i wasn't implying that you couldn't reach MA, my point was that AAs are *the* archer class, even more than ranger, so not being able to realistically make a fletcher out of one is a bit silly.

hope this helps.