Relic hide penalty

Post by **LinuxPup** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:17 pm

Can that be made permanent (while in inventory) instead of temporary? Like maybe something u equip... Also -50 isn't enough of a penalty... Its not too hard to make a build that still has 40+ hide even with the relic... seems like -200 or whatever the highest u can do would be better.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:28 pm

-50 to hide is wicked...if it was permanent it would mean SD's couldn't sit on the relic while it fails, pick it up, use a restore/lesser potion, hide, then walk out like nothing was happening. if the negatives were permanent as long as you had the relic that would sure even things up.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:58 pm

can't be that hard to script a -50 in there...

kingfatzo · Post by **kingfatzo** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:51 am

mmmm. sd cheese

PeregrineV · Post by **PeregrineV** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:00 am

I thought thats what true seeing is for. Both the player and original versions. To find hidden/invisible/otherwise unseeable people/critters.

kingfatzo · Post by **kingfatzo** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:21 pm

har har

Elagneros · Post by **Elagneros** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:59 pm

First off, I thought there was a penalty.

Second, Hide is not the most serious problem with raiding, it's speed. When you got a relic you don't want to be hiding around the enemy's city, you want to get out as fast as possible.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 6:44 pm

i always find hiding is more effective. sd's can hide like a mofo and you can't even begin to find them. speed can be over come if you know the terrain and direction they want to go.

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:49 pm

Indeed, who needs speed when no one knows where you are?
Bigbys can stop speed. You can still target someone whos running fast with a spell. If they're hiding, its over.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:36 pm

I understand all of you guys' point of view, but why in the name of the Abyss would carrying a relic negate your HIDE? It may negate your move silently due to its weight, but chances are if a rogue or shadowdancer has stolen it, they're not gonna be parading around in the streets with it for everyone to see. The only possible logic I see a negating hide is that the relic is entrancing to see, but the relic is hidden the little thief's bag now isn't it?

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:38 pm

it may negate your hide due to the fact your carrying a flag more than twice your size...how do you hide with that?

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:48 pm

You know as well as I do Deathdealer that the flag is only there to represent that the character is carrying a relic. It do not think it was meant to imply that the character had litterally picked up a towering a flag, strapped it on its back, and then ran off with the relic.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:51 pm

it might...i don't know what devs wanted it to literally mean. besides its an object that weighs 50lbs, thats like a big rock...i'm just saying though...do what you guys want, i don't really do relics.

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:52 pm

Maybe it glows really bright.
Hey, theres an idea.
Have it glow so brightly that anyone who comes within 30 feet of a relic holder, including the relic holder themselves is blinded while within the AoE.
Now that would be entertaining.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 5:55 pm

I think that would help the rogue and/or shadowdancer more Mr. O'Dearly. With their opponent blind, they can disappear, or unleash a sneak attack fury.