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Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:46 am

the door to the hidden tunnels of SL are used way too much by outsiders. it is posted when you leave menzo that the shadows will take care of any trespassers there...yet there are no gaurds. the door going in is locked, but can be unlocked by a meager rogue.

anyway we can up the DC on the door to something only a true rogue can attain?

or how about we perma lock it and make it a SL quest that you recieve a key to unlock it...since it is a vital door to the SL.

Elagneros · Post by **Elagneros** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:27 pm

Death Dealer1 wrote:the door to the hidden tunnels of SL are used way too much by outsiders. it is posted when you leave menzo that the shadows will take care of any trespassers there...yet there are no gaurds. the door going in is locked, but can be unlocked by a meager rogue.

anyway we can up the DC on the door to something only a true rogue can attain?

or how about we perma lock it and make it a SL quest that you recieve a key to unlock it...since it is a vital door to the SL.

I think it's fine just the way it is. If SL has problems with invaders coming in that way, then they should guard it better.

Either that or stop taking everyone relics all the time. If ya's can't take the heat...

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:48 pm

its not a point of we don't like ppl using it....its a point of its supposed to be a "secret" drow in and out....can't be a good secret or anything if just about anyone on the server can walk in and out no problems. use the front door if you want to do that, don't use our secret door.

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:02 pm

maybe there should be guards there... like NS south wall? or daerons south wall? or nothing to be done at all... because SL is not a port city, it cannot be raided via ferry... so that's the downside...

$chase$ · Post by **$chase$** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:05 pm

i think a higher dc on the lock would be a great idea

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:11 pm

dc 50-75

Go'f · Post by **Go'f** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:21 pm

Death Dealer1 wrote:dc 50-75

But let Shadow Legion Quest for a key

Kromix · Post by **Kromix** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:18 am

lol... THEN I WANT a door from the docks in AO to the city with a key... lol

Go'f · Post by **Go'f** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:33 am

Kromix wrote:lol... THEN I WANT a door from the docks in AO to the city with a key... lol

Typical of a KsT only wants the toys when you see someone else with them.

really showing your mental age here.

Seriously though AO already has some pretty cool stuff... you don't see other factions demanding Dragon defenders because you have them do you?

My thoaught is it should be available low level Shadow Legion to use, but require some dedication from another faction to break in.

Keys would fit the story and won't break the world.

What is the point in a secret entrance that is only available to the charactors who are such high level they would not need it? Perhaps if this can't be done we could request that it is caved in to prevent attacks from that direction.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:52 am

yeah, as drow are very secretive and do not like to share with others...it does fit in that they would not allow this door way to be such an easy access to their city...a very ungaurded access at that.

Milkman99 · Post by **Milkman99** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:35 pm

Oh come on now u guys have to be joking right - the only reson u want that door made harder is too keep the relics better and longer - the doors been like that forever lol and it was fine till the relic thing came in.

I mean lets get serious, before anything at all is done to any other faction NS city needs fixing its smack bang in the middle everyone raids it and keeping relics there is like holding a fist full of water

the guards are the weakest on the server u can enter the city from three places (sthwall-sewer, docks, front gate) and yes kromix before u say they need better defenders and the brethren are no good

we must admit NS has the raw end of the stick - especially when u add its location into the mix.

I mean can we plz be fair dinkum (aussie term lol) SL is fine as it is u have good defenders do a better job of it, dont come on here pinning for changes that suit or help no-one else but yourselves other things need tweaking fixing way more like wiz summons animal companions, i mean Paladins should get a holy avenger drop or something even compareable to the staff of the dead nearly all wizards use etc the list goes on.

anyways thats mt 2 cent worth

Go'f · Post by **Go'f** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:20 pm

Milkman99 wrote:Oh come on now u guys have to be joking right - the only reson u want that door made harder is too keep the relics better and longer - the doors been like that forever lol and it was fine till the relic thing came in.

Jeez cobber, thats a bit of an assumption, and wrong. I had made requests directly to DM's (Llolth should recall my key suggestion) about this door prior to Relics, in fact by time my first Legion Charactor struck 3rd level I had seen how this entrance was not being coded in a way that supports its description.
It should be coded to match its description or its description should be chaged to something like "express route for raiding parties"

I don't think it would be too hard for a few Clerics to join together and earthquake it into oblivion it would be easier than upgrading that lock.
And lets face it most of Shadow Legion is Clerics

lordvan52681 · Post by **lordvan52681** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:53 pm

I think I'll weigh in on this one =P.

Should the DC for the door be raised? no. Its a moderate lock because SL only has 2 ways in, and the other one is only used by ppl whove been around for a while and know NS4 like the back of their hand. If you are defending Menzo, you know that 90% of the time, they are coming that way, so set your defences accordingly.

On the other hand, it is weird that there is a sign saying its guarded, and yet the only ppl down there are molemen. There should be an assassin or 2 waiting to speedbump any raiders. Nothing so hard as city itsself, but something. Maybe put a cleric and an assissin in between the hidden doors. But nothing so drastic as upping the DC so only rogues can do it.

you already have 1 of the most defensible cities, no need to make it impossible to assail.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:07 pm

every city has its weakness....eploiting the enemies weakness is a fact of NS4, but when the weakness itself is someting "faction created" i do think that the faction itself need to fix this weakness in a way that makes it not as effective. upping the dc on the door means those ppl that take 1 rogue lvl can't get in as well, an auto lock script with key means that it is truly a shadow legion secret way as it was intended. its a small matter...there are still 4 other ways into the city without going through the front door, but non are put forth as the "menzo only" route....that is all this is about.

this door is a shadow legion door, that should mean something....and trust me when i say that if it was in any other city like this i would stand behind the same reasoning.

Elagneros · Post by **Elagneros** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:47 am

And I still say it's fine the way it is. Bump the DC? Hey, mages can still bypass it with knock just as easy. Make it un-knockable? That's just cheap.

If the drow are finding their "Raid NS City Easy" door is now being used against them, that's too bad. We don't need a door that SL relic raiders can run behind real fast while pursuers have to take the long way around through Redhorn.

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