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I was just wondering when (or if) summons and animal companion are ever comming back. Or also if we are even gonna accually get to summon dragons with animal domain or with the accual spell Dragon Knight.

now i know there are alot of views

Pros of having NERFED summons:

1) NONE ( in my oppinion)
2) Evens out the familiar mage combo.
3) ....... Hmmmm i dont know a third one

Cons of Nerfed Summons

1) noone takes animal domain. If someone is willing to work so hard with a animal domain cleric y not let them sommon a dragon. I mean if you can nerf dragonshape monks y not nerf the dragon summon. Or at least make it so you can summon a dragon like char like wyrmling or so on.

2) also same thing with Dragon Kinight If your gonna waste an epic level feat on something make it worth while. I mean cmon a retarded salaad who walks around in stealth and gets owned by Ice Giants is weak for a level 24 summon.

3) Ive seen People leave because of the familiar and animal companion summons needing to be taken away in general. I mean what the heck how is a straight mage build ( no toughness or con, i know this is noobish but there are come out there who do it) how the heck are they supposed to level with this type of disadvantage. Granted that mages are prob the strongest "type" of build i still think that at lease Druids ( who almost half of there spells are based around) and rangers (same as druids) should get there companions.

Also off the topic is Time Stop ever gonna work!!!

But ultimately all im saying is that im tired of the server getting nerfed.

Y dont people just get better builds or group up as it should be to take down the higher characters. I mean Cmon a good Cleric and a Good monk/fighter would own a high mage (Dismisal, KD, i mean the possibilities are endless) So basicly Dev's please please respond to this i am looking foward to getting Pwned by POsts :twisted:

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Post by Donan »

well to answer some..

1. The epic feat itself i dont think is a waste but taking animal domain and really dedicating youself to summons, some kind of special creature qould be cool

2. I did make a cleric with animal focus, thread is here http://www.nsrealm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2956 I agree somewhat on the slaad creature but the other 2, especially solar is a great companion.

3. animal companions are invaluable at start but it looks like zing is working on it, for us this time :wink: here is link to change log http://www.nsrealm.com/boards/viewtopic ... 322574bd1a

I dont think time stop should ever be implemented, besides the nightmare i can only imagine when server freezes every time its cast it would make any wiz/sorc impossible..and yes i have lvl 29 sorc with autoquicken, the amount of spells i can cast with only 2 TS mem'd :twisted:

and groups will always own, my FoN char is great 1v1 (usually :? ) but i was getting crushed by a group with 1 or 2 showing effortless to me, now that was a bummer :cry:
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i gues sbut if Bioware didnt want Timestop to be a spell y make it i mean the way NS4 is going with all the nerfing its turning into a really watered down version.

I mean cmon would you go buy a a pizza and they gave yo8u soy peperoni lactose free cheese and carb free bread for same price as a normal PIZZA?????? doesnt make sense ( unoless your a FREAK and like that [no offense to you freaks out there]) I mean if i was a noob i wouold be like WTH and leave thinking *y would i have just paid that much fir a game where i am so damn limited) Dont get me wrong but i think NS roxors but could be better with some new stuff. I know dev team you are doing alot so keep it up

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Some spells are more appropriate in a single-player campaign than in a persistant world environment. We're trying to revisit spells, but there's a lot on everyone's plate right now. All I can say is we're doing our best.
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I understand MR dev and i am really bored at work and am trying to get some disscussion aout of people and i think you guys are doing an amazing job just expressing some ideas.

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ACTUALLY! time stop can be modified to only affect the are it is casted upon... if my memory serves me right, aantioch has done so, i have no clue on the script but it only freezes the casted area, and is someone ports into the timestopped area they are hit with it too but not crashed.

i know it can be done :D
and there can be also a timer on it, like 1 every RL minute or the spell fizzles

the spell blade of disaster would be a help too if it can be nerfed in a way that you need greater/epic focus in conj to make it worth while, and a short but not that short lifespan, with a 24hour(gametime) in between cast timer on it timer on it or spell fizzles, like the tokens :D
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I challenge any 2 magi to face off against Guardian of the Light's Epic Summon. It will not take long before you would be running for your dear lives, once realizing it to be immune to magic.

Please do not use the words "nerf" and "dragon knight" in the same... post.
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what kind of mage uses death magic on an epic summon?!? surely not me...

but i'll bet the SR of that sumon is crazy high thanx to your buffs... so i would have to say... i would buff myself, and run to dear life... and hope you cant haste your summon...
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Kromix wrote:what kind of mage uses death magic on an epic summon?!? surely not me...

but i'll bet the SR of that sumon is crazy high thanx to your buffs... so i would have to say... i would buff myself, and run to dear life... and hope you cant haste your summon...
Who said anything about death magic? Or me buffing my summon?
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lol i'm lost :/


i said i woudnt cast deathmagic on epic smmon as a mage... not u casting death magic.. llol

and your guardian of light is a cleric, cleric love buffs, so i supposed the summon would be buffed... :/ :D

and hell yeah i would run from an epic summon...
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TheBestDeception wrote:I challenge any 2 magi to face off against Guardian of the Light's Epic Summon. It will not take long before you would be running for your dear lives, once realizing it to be immune to magic.

Please do not use the words "nerf" and "dragon knight" in the same... post.

Dragon Knight has the word "DRAGON" init so its nerfed

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Your assumption is that because the visual effect is change, it has been made less usefull (the definition of nerf); that is wholly incorrect in itself. You could argue that the summon is less effective (not true), or that its stats are lower (not true) ... but to say an aesthetic change is a nerf it to be misguided.
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dragon knight gives you other summons according to you alignment....which doesn't work. timestop is worthless in a multi player realm such as NS and causes more problems than you know. black blade of disaster shouldn't be affected in a way to make you need more focus so that it works. durations of all spells have been cut down to a very finite time anyway so cutting a spells duration further automatically makes it worthless to use.
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Post by Holghask »

Ok. I'll bite...

How in the world can you get your epic summon immune to magic? My guess is animal domain and spell focus/greater spell focus/epic spell focus in conjuration...

I fought guardian of the light with his epic summoned solar in NS the other night with my 37th lev cleric and was able to get a lucky PK. I did try a ton of spells on his solar (normally my death spells drop any summon easy)...each and every spell I tried on it fizzled. I could hack it pretty well but as soon as it neared death, GOLight would heal it with spells...Fortunately GOL is not immune to bigbies scrolls...

So...how do you get your epic summon to be immune to magic? I'm curious as to how much our epic summons differ (my solar vs yours when I'm not focused in conjuration at all or in the animal domain...)

Thanks for any info...

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Post by deathdearler1 »

was SR cast on it? and why didn't you try to banish it? summons go bye bye when you banish them :wink:
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