Mord scrolls

[Frendel]

Would it be too much to ask that scrolls have a concentration check for damage while using them or making Mord scrolls unscribable? Even a dc of some sort or ability for SR to work against the scrolls would be some help. I have an epic spellcaster (more than 21 caster levels) who buffs to a very high spot. I faced a sd (no names here) the other day who must have read 4 Mord scrolls on me per fight, over and over to strip my spot buffs. I had more memed but, this only got more Mord scrolls read on me time after time to strip them as soon as I rebuffed, of course with my death shortly after. This seems a bit out of balance in my honest opinion. Is the "Ace in the hole" for shadowdancers just a stack of Mord scrolls? Sounds pretty unbalanced. Any thoughts?

[Bargeld]

Bite your tongue! Mord scrolls are awesome for everyone! (Especially assassin who uses it get rid of those pesky FoMs)

SD doesn't get UMD, so you'd have to multi with bard rogue or sin, or possibly a dip in a caster class.

Check the breach list out, once you get used to how it works, it's not as bad as you think. For the case of your spotter, your spot buffs aren't effected by mord. Wis buff, TS, cc all require gdispel to remove. The important breaches are ii, ava, fom, uef, mantles, energy resist (the 50% fire cold one). Note: btide is not on breach list.

Dispels have a check, I'm not 100% happy with it... it ain't perfect, but the 25 max thing works out pretty well for +80% of the matchups.

[mining]

For reference, Morde scrolls should not be removing spot buffs. If this is a bug, I will work to fix it, but if your 21 caster is getting dispelled by GDispel scrolls...

[Eldaquen]

The phrase "Epic spellcaster" implies 35+ caster levels on NS4. At 21 caster levels the build's defense against greater dispell is only 32 (caster level plus 11). Greater dispell's DC is capped at 25 (spell focuses are able to increase to that to 31) plus 1d20 roll. For a caster to be immune to the unfocused greater dispell spell; the caster build will want a minimum of 34 caster levels. Any less than that will mean buffs are vulnerable to being dispelled. 21 caster levels have less than 35% chance for buffs to survive a unfocused greater dispell attempt.

Mord scrolls are pretty expensive to craft. If someone took the time to craft a stack then they spent a lot of gold and xp to earn them.

Using scrolls requires either an inate ability to cast the scribed spell, or enough Use Magic Device skill ranks to use. There are no free scrolls, either builder multiclassed with the appropriate caster class (sorc or wizard for Mords) or the builder spent skill points into UMD to be able to use the scroll. So in a way you already received what you suggested: just UMD instead of Conc, or multiclassed with the approriate class type for the spell.

With that said using Conc instead of UMD would be awesome, because Conc protects against taunt attacks. To add scroll use ability would make Conc more desirable and open up scrolls to pure fighters and barbarians. Conc would yield 2 benefits (anti-taunt skill and scroll use skill) then and pure fighter or barbarian could use scrolls because they tend to have ranks in Conc already to protect against taunt. Course I think pure fighters and barbarians using scrolls is a really good reason not to change to conc.

[Frendel]

Then 1 of 2 situations is true.

1. It was Mord scrolls and they were dispelling my spot buffs(which was said shouldn't be happening).

2. It was Greater Dispelling scrolls and the wiki is wrong about being able to use SR to beat Greater Dispelling (which is fine because I've seen my fair share of wrong wiki entries). I have 45 SR and the scrolls are lvl 15 I think? Big problem if they can consistently breach my SR.

[Eldaquen]

You raise 1 valid question: does subrace SR (or the spell SR) give a build's casted buffs resistance against spells the same way that it gives resistance to damage spells. To be honest I do not believe buffs receive the benefit of SR. The subrace applies SR to the builds skin not to buffs or magical effects. SR protects against damage type spells or ability drains. I do not believe buffs benefit from SR.

I have noticed with damage spells an SR check is made if the build has SR. But when someone casts greater dispell which does no damage the combat log just calculates the buffs anti-dispell DC and the dispells' DC for each buff in effect. The build is resistent to spells ... but the buffs are not the build.

[mining]

Dispel definitely doesn't check SR.

[Frendel]

Then the wiki is wrong because Greater Dispell only strips buffs and does nothing to the build side of the SR. Hope this helps others in the future.

[mining]

Then the wiki is wrong because Greater Dispell only strips buffs and does nothing to the build side of the SR. Hope this helps others in the future.

It has SR: Yes, when it should be SR: No, but other than that I think the wiki is correct.

[MrAsimov]

Corrected wiki to reflect that there is NO SR check for Greater Dispelling.

[Alkapwn]

Mord was stripping Trueseeing and C/C ?!?!?

[Lokey]

I posted a list of spells breaches deal with. Yes, lots of arcane buffs were added, as well as a few divine

All breach:
nSpell == SPELL_MINOR_GLOBE_OF_INVULNERABILITY ||
nSpell == SPELL_STONESKIN ||
nSpell == SPELL_FREEDOM_OF_MOVEMENT ||
nSpell == SPELL_LESSER_SPELL_MANTLE ||
nSpell == SPELL_MIND_BLANK ||
nSpell == SPELL_ELEMENTAL_SHIELD ||
nSpell == SPELL_RESIST_ELEMENTS ||
nSpell == SPELL_DEATH_ARMOR ||
nSpell == SPELL_GHOSTLY_VISAGE ||
nSpell == 605 || // Assassin's Ghostly Visage
nSpell == SPELL_ENDURE_ELEMENTS ||
nSpell == SPELL_SHADOW_CONJURATION_MAGE_ARMOR ||
nSpell == SPELL_NEGATIVE_ENERGY_PROTECTION ||
nSpell == SPELL_SANCTUARY ||
nSpell == SPELL_MAGE_ARMOR ||
nSpell == SPELL_STONE_BONES ||
nSpell == SPELL_SHIELD ||
nSpell == SPELL_SHIELD_OF_FAITH ||
nSpell == SPELL_LESSER_MIND_BLANK ||
nSpell == SPELL_IRONGUTS ||
nSpell == SPELL_RESISTANCE ||
nSpell == SPELL_MONSTROUS_REGENERATION ||
nSpell == SPELL_DEATH_WARD ||
nSpell == SPELL_PROTECTION_FROM_EVIL ||
nSpell == SPELL_PROTECTION_FROM_GOOD ||
nSpell == SPELL_INVISIBILITY ||
nSpell == 607 // Assassin's Invisibility

Greater or mord +
Spell == SPELL_PREMONITION ||
nSpell == SPELL_SPELL_MANTLE ||
nSpell == SPELL_SHADOW_SHIELD ||
nSpell == SPELL_GREATER_STONESKIN ||
nSpell == SPELL_ETHEREAL_VISAGE ||
nSpell == SPELL_GLOBE_OF_INVULNERABILITY ||
nSpell == SPELL_ENERGY_BUFFER ||
nSpell == SPELL_MESTILS_ACID_SHEATH ||
nSpell == SPELL_PROTECTION_FROM_SPELLS ||
nSpell == SPELL_REGENERATE ||
nSpell == SPELL_HOLY_AURA ||
nSpell == SPELL_UNHOLY_AURA ||
nSpell == SPELL_IMPROVED_INVISIBILITY ||
nSpell == 483 || // Harper Scout's Invisibility
nSpell == 608 // Assassin's Improved Invisibility

Mord+
nSpell == SPELL_GREATER_SPELL_MANTLE ||
nSpell == SPELL_UNDEATHS_ETERNAL_FOE ||
nSpell == SPELL_SHAPECHANGE

Yah, it's better than stock, but oy needs some work. I'd need to read what's on wiki to see how off that is, because I don't want to write out all it does.

[Rufio]

I've never had mords dispel spot buffs ever. And trust me, we in TC/NC have been hit by a lot of mords in our days. It was certainly a greater dispel scroll if they were trying to strip spot buffs.

[Shadowalker]

Semi related topic but a hyjack none the less.

Any balance issues with changing rak breach to greater?

[Rufio]

It already is greater, isn't it? Or did you mean greater dispelling? I kind of like having something with greater spell breach in TC for once.