SL need love...

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SL need love...

Post by hond »

Perhaps this thread is a repetition of an old one, i'm not complaining about the SL status, but , in order to compare with other guild/faction, and after some times playing the server, i make a little thread about the SL situation...

- We set automaticly evil : it seems to be a choice, but we are the only faction with this disavantage...even NC don't have to be auto good...the consequences are multiple :
- Smite evil toons: i press the win hotcase three times and crush all the toons i target...
- Class choice is the lowest of all the server. Except the unique prestige class, we can't do : paly,druid, ranger and harper scout, who limit baddly the combo we can do...if you make a monk your LE, and you have very few options of races , who give monk as fav class (you can't go gitzerai for exemple, the best monk subrace of the server). just saying that you can't make a proper leather cratfer inside SL/MA...so you have to ask to other guy to hold a map in order to transfer a Master artisan crafted item...
- all the rest of aliance can make the totality of classes...

Defending our city: Menzoduran is a holed cheese...when raiders capture a relic and go out from temple, is imposible to track them...a simple reason...we have 5 posible exit...if you compare with others faction is just comical.. AO 1 posible exit, also RK, daeron 2 exit, circle 3, MA 1, and LA 2...those nubs drow are so stupids....why not close the house tunnels or change them a bit??
Temple: why a transition inside temple ?? some players are using this in order to cancel spells or hide...is just behing the craddle, even if you don't want to eliminate this transition, is it posible to change the place of it ??
Defenders of temple : i read a thread complaining about the OP they are...is just too funy...a mage or sorc enter in the temple and use a banshee wail, and in 20 seconds the craddle is cleaned...the fact that all the defenders are grouped is more a disavantage...pure fighter KD token , pure barb roar, bard song etc...take all the defenders in 1 shot..

Unique prestige class : assassin suck ...if you want a good DC, your toon can potentialy kill 10 % of the oponents (48 DC fort) and you can be potentialy wiped by 80 % of your oponents...the worst unique prestige class far away, compared with the rest...No combo posibilty..or you go Assassin 28 or you don't use the class...

The tokens:
-20 % conceal only usable inside.. :lol:
-1d10 acid damages on weapon (the best one)
-+1 Dext +1int ...
No AB boost ( even vs a specific alignement),no detect boost, no special effect token..tokens are just regular...only circle have same conditions (elemental damages a bit better, cause you can use it twice for short duration)

I just realize that i choose the bad place for this thread, will be better in discutions...
Comments are welcome

PD: sory for the faults, and the vocabulary... :oops:

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Re: SL need love...

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All factions have donwsides. Anyways, some points I want to correct:
- all the rest of aliance can make the totality of classes...
Not in TC/NC. We can't make Sorcerers, Wizards, or Blackguards.
just saying that you can't make a proper leather cratfer inside SL/MA...so you have to ask to other guy to hold a map in order to transfer a Master artisan crafted item...
TC/NC has to do the same with arcane crafters.
a mage or sorc enter in the temple and use a banshee wail, and in 20 seconds the craddle is cleaned...the fact that all the defenders are grouped is more a disavantage...pure fighter KD token , pure barb roar, bard song etc...take all the defenders in 1 shot..
Yeah. This happens in every cradle. They all have bad saves.
your toon can potentialy kill 10 % of the oponents (48 DC fort)
Maybe if all of your opponents are paladins?
No AB boost ( even vs a specific alignement)
AO is the only faction with a true ab boost. No factions have ab boosts vs a specific alignment, maybe you are thinking racial boosts? Those specific race boosts are moot because they don't stack with your weapon's enchantment bonus and don't apply to player races.
no detect boost
I thought SL got +4 spot and +4 listen. I could be wrong.
no special effect token..tokens are just regular...
I don't know what exactly you mean, but SL and TC get the most skill bonuses of any faction from the job bonuses. I think that is the intended trade-off. I sympathize with the concealment token being pretty useless though.
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Anyways, the assassin class does suck unless you are playing a very particular build with close to 30 assassin levels. Maybe pick your battles and fight for that :wink:
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Personally i like the challenge of being Evil. Too have such obvious flaws and still triumph makes victory so much sweeter.
We just have to make up for our shortcomings with teamwork.
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a mage or sorc enter in the temple and use a banshee wail, and in 20 seconds the craddle is cleaned...the fact that all the defenders are grouped is more a disavantage...pure fighter KD token , pure barb roar, bard song etc...take all the defenders in 1 shot..
Yeah. This happens in every cradle. They all have bad saves.

no..only in SL all defender make a nub group....in rest of craddle defenders spawns in little group and you can't make the same..

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your toon can potentialy kill 10 % of the oponents (48 DC fort)
Maybe if all of your opponents are paladins?

DC 48 mean your assassin 28, and run 18 int mod...so your AB suck, your AC suck..poison work only on still target (figthing or casting make you no vulnerable), poison can't be applied in fight, near hostile target and have short duration effect...if you use 1 of the best gift of the class (ethereal) you loose poison...i'm very generous when i say 10 % can be riped by poison...
no detect boost
I thought SL got +4 spot and +4 listen. I could be wrong.

i'm not speaking about the amount of feat points you gain with jobs...just say me, what benefit gain a pure fighter, a pure barb or any non detect/hide toon from jobs?
no special effect token..tokens are just regular...
I don't know what exactly you mean, but SL and TC get the most skill bonuses of any faction from the job bonuses. I think that is the intended trade-off. I sympathize with the concealment token being pretty useless though.[/quote]

RK kd token is playable, AO and NC eyes + ab bonus is playable with melee toons...why bother make the jobs for a tank unless for the acid damage?? my pure fighter have 4 listen/4 spot/4 shearch..and 20 % concealment inside...woaw

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i still have yet to get jobs on almost any character i ever build on here....i'm too lazy to run around doing some npc's dirty work.
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ive never done a job as of yet
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hond wrote:
no special effect token..tokens are just regular...
I don't know what exactly you mean, but SL and TC get the most skill bonuses of any faction from the job bonuses. I think that is the intended trade-off. I sympathize with the concealment token being pretty useless though.
RK kd token is playable, AO and NC eyes + ab bonus is playable with melee toons...why bother make the jobs for a tank unless for the acid damage?? my pure fighter have 4 listen/4 spot/4 shearch..and 20 % concealment inside...woaw[/quote]

On a similar note, my poor AO wizard gets absolutely nothing from her jobs, same with the TC caster cleric ;).
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mining wrote:
hond wrote:
no special effect token..tokens are just regular...
I don't know what exactly you mean, but SL and TC get the most skill bonuses of any faction from the job bonuses. I think that is the intended trade-off. I sympathize with the concealment token being pretty useless though.

RK kd token is playable, AO and NC eyes + ab bonus is playable with melee toons...why bother make the jobs for a tank unless for the acid damage?? my pure fighter have 4 listen/4 spot/4 shearch..and 20 % concealment inside...woaw
On a similar note, my poor AO wizard gets absolutely nothing from her jobs, same with the TC caster cleric ;).
So, +3 to all saves is not good enough for ya? Unless you didn't take concentration for some ridiculous reason? Sure, disregard the +3 to ab/ac, the undispellable TS and the AoE will save for stun (low DC, to be sure), but +3 to all saves is still a kindness to any build there is.
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To be fair I was being somewhat sarcastic. Every job offers *something* for someone.
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hond wrote:Defending our city: Menzoduran is a holed cheese...when raiders capture a relic and go out from temple, is imposible to track them...a simple reason...we have 5 posible exit...if you compare with others faction is just comical.. AO 1 posible exit, also RK, daeron 2 exit, circle 3, MA 1, and LA 2...those nubs drow are so stupids....why not close the house tunnels or change them a bit??
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equality and balance are not the same, nor has equality ever been the goal of NS4.

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btw...i'm still lobbying for the sl hidden tunnel doors be sl only as they were supposed to be way back in the day. its my re-election platform.

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Amoenotep wrote:btw...i'm still lobbying for the sl hidden tunnel doors be sl only as they were supposed to be way back in the day. its my re-election platform.

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