Did you just try to nerf one of my 2 faction's PRCs and insinuate the other hasn't been nerfed enough?
Oh no you didn't :p.
There should not be a class that has (self buffed I believe) 66ab, 70ac, 50+ fort vs non spells, a ton of divine damage, hasted monk speed, spot of 100+, disc of 80+, and in many cases, dual wield.
'ton of divine damage' comes primarily from this thing called 'divine might'. Thats a 'feat'. I am certain you guys can make something that gets similar stats to that. Hell, AO can make a 78 AC, 72 AB, 1k HP, 120+ discipline, tons of str and divine, 110+ spot Hasted monk speed = no shield, so will take tons of damage from AAs or melee scythers/other +8s. Also, its called a feature of dex based character with monk. Dual Wield? Thats a feat, not a class feature.
There is no way that you can build anything remotely close to that (vs good or otherwise) in SL or any other faction
See my comments on the AO build. Also, you can get disgustingly more AC/AB combos on a pale master, in that the summon has obscene AB and the summoner has obscene AC. Not the same, but you just got remotely close.
Rufio's build can be made in 3? factions, I'd guess.
(except maybe a druid/shifter/ ally type)
You can make more potent AC/AB combos than our shifters right now. And they have this cool thing called 'UMD' and 'scrolls' and 'rods' that they can 'use'.
Hell, I've seen builds using your poor useless, maligned blackguard to hit mid 80s AC (more with a bard), dual wield, monk speed, epic dodge, and 58 AB indoors. Thats better than Sancreed and Crow right now, you realise.
Our PRC is a stinking mass of dog poop in comparison.
Yes, you are right. It is a freaking sneak based class without HiPS. If it stood up to a CoT (and lets face facts, some assassin can faceroll a CoT if said CoT is without UV), there would be a huge issue.
Fighting against 2 of them and a demonflesh golem ally from TC tonight was an absolutely unwinnable battle, even when the numbers and class mixes should have been in our favor.
Well, yes. Unless you had, say, understood how to deal with them all in a whopping 6? spells. Or maybe if you used 'tactics' and understood how one of your high AB/AC/spot/speed builds (the monk/aa) measures up to a melee CoT.
. And I don't want to hear about how easily they can be beaten by blah blah because when you are fighting 2 or 3 CoTs in a mixed frey, it's a very lucky day that you will win because they will wipe out 3 enemies in the time it takes to mord and bigs 2 of them.
Sounds like you were fighting without taking advantage of the fact that your city has bridges, which are the perfect spot for a 3v3 to happen for you. And damn, if those 3 CoTs were AO's most amazing build, they'd have you on the ground, beating on you, and hardly touchable by IGMS and the like because of their obscene HP.
The OPness of classes like CoT and druid/shifter as an allied pair is (to me at least) the obvious reason they can win any event they show up to, as long as they have more than 3 or 5 of these toons on.
Pfft. Give me Roz, a bard and a melee, and you guys will be in just as much pain, given even numbers. You'd need to beat 45 fort, minimum.
Also, remember that CoTs buff to the cap. If you engage them without a bard and cleric, yes they have much better stats. They scale awfully though.
o mord and bigs 2 of them. And that just allows you to run away from them and attack the rest of the group. Once you are left trying to fight the CoT's they still whoop up on you and kill half your party while you try to take them down. Other classes may be able to stand there and take the beating, but none are able to return in kind like a CoT.
You know whats hard to kill? SDs. You know what isn't hard to kill? A properly neutralised CoT. Slow it down, have a fighter KD it, and its gg for the CoT.
Seriously disheartening when on the receiving end. And I will personally rally an army of mordsing bigsing and igming mages just to combat this pile of cheese
Oh Emm Gee. You know the counter. Well done.
And yes, Daral is inclined to be cynical, because we have eaten nerfs quite a lot lately.
-High level dragon wyrm forms (shifter/druid/RDD) physical damage immunity dropped to 10%
Necessary nerf, imo. Gold could eat 5 enemy melees alive, and did it on a reliable basis.
And the uber shifter nerf. -5 AC to every shifter renders most shifters in an awfully low AC position.
This is absolutely not a whine by me, its me saying that Daral deserves his right to be cynical.
The most potent thing about CoT is that for 6? minutes its an unstoppable (hardly) melee engine of destruction (well, hardly).
I remember you guys whining about CoTs back when pure bard song was +15 sonic. That was far more potent than CoT.
How about 'ye olde' 67 AB, 80 AC, 127 hide build makeable in all faction pairs but AORK.
Stop the whining about TCNC, I'd be willing to argue that we can kill things whatever faction we build out of.
The OPness of classes like CoT and druid/shifter as an allied pair is (to me at least) the obvious reason they can win any event they show up to, as long as they have more than 3 or 5 of these toons on.
We could eat your face with a selection of toons excluding CoT and Shifter.
I mean, can you really hope to have a chance against Rufio's Harper Scout, 2 heal/imploders, a bard and HiPSer? How about against a full buffed dex WM, a full buffed disarmer, 2 clerics and a bard.
