dragon fear aura

[Bishop99]

Dragon fear aura is OP.

47 dc on an effect that is almost an auto-win?

I figure dragon shape already has huge advantages of making a weak druid into an uber tank/damage output, why even have fear aura?

EDIT: just failed a dc 54 on this thing... yall gotta check this out

[Amoenotep]

cuz its a dragon?

[Tal]

Indeed.. a little over the top.

Parking a dragon in front of a door with that dc really causes a lot of havoc. Good tactic, but the dc is a bit much.

[cRaZy8or5e]

It is tough. Get out the clarity wands and mind blank scrolls, and ava scrolls. That can help.

Otherwise you could try to cover the Will Save weakness in the builds.

Though, hehehe, my cleric monk got feared by those dragons after getting cursed by a pure bard, had to roll a one, but yeah, +20 wisdom modifier and still got feared hehehe. Maybe it is a bit overpowered.

*throws match*
Wasn't there a thread about how RDD's suck now? ;P

[Shhhhhhh]

Is this the RDD dragon or the shifter/druid dragon?
the dc 54 is confusing me a bit.

[Tal]

Wow.. after further testing... different builds with stronger will saves.. the fear aura is way over the top. Makes for a quick and easy mass slaughter though.

Now, don't get me wrong here.. the aura is tight and is a major advantage to who ever has it (I would have much rather been on the friendly side of it). The dc just seems a little out of whack imo.

[Tsavong]

I thought the RDD dragon fear aura was just DC 30 + d20, between 31 and 50 depending on the roll the RDD makes when ever it makes that fear thing (I don't know when it is calculated).

At least that's what the only bit if info I found on it in the change log said.

[cRaZy8or5e]

Yeah its random. But sometimes, wow, it is devestating. Just the very nature of how random it is, makes it not so over the top. Just sucks when they do get that roll. When I got feared it was by Rogue's Lokshi, he had a 48 DC at the time.

But other times its like that aura isn't even there.

[Tru3Fals3]

zerg is correct, the dc is not set, it can be 31-50.

[ashsagoon]

You're also immune to it for a few turns after whether you fail or save it so you don't have to keep making the check.

I've seen the fear save toons because they keep running away from you and you can either never catch them to kill them or they'll run through a doorway that you can't get to.. all automatically.

The fear can be both good or a curse. I don't think the DC is unreasonable though.

[Cijah]

I believe the OP was referring to Druid/Shifter Dragons with at least 10 Shifter levels. The Fear Aura DC is 30 + Wis Modifier. Given it takes 30 Wisdom to get Dragon Shape, +12 from Wis Items/Books will give you a base DC of 46 (i.e. 42 Wisdom). Pump the Wis Stat up some more with Great Wisdom Feats and you have a nice DC.

I don't see an issue with it at all.

[Tru3Fals3]

I believe the OP was referring to Druid/Shifter Dragons with at least 10 Shifter levels. The Fear Aura DC is 30 + Wis Modifier. Given it takes 30 Wisdom to get Dragon Shape, +12 from Wis Items/Books will give you a base DC of 46 (i.e. 42 Wisdom). Pump the Wis Stat up some more with Great Wisdom Feats and you have a nice DC.

I don't see an issue with it at all.

neither do i, if you have to invest that much wisdom you should definately get something nice for it, but i believe he was actually referring to the rdd dragon fear aura, he had not actually fought any shifter dragons during the raids to my knowledge although i could be wrong.

i dont see how the dc is an issue, i can get a dc 43 fear aura on my lvl 35 barbarian, its always 43 and will go up to around 48 at lvl 40. this makes the rdd fear aura weaker then the barb aura as its random. i think the problem was that 90% of your raiders were sds with at best high 20s will saves, not to mention the fact that we had bards to curse everyone.

as the shifter dragon can also achieve such a high dc that is also constant, i dont see the problem with the rdd getting a random, often lower, dc fear aura. imo the problem is not the aura but the fact that you sacrificed taking save feats on your builds for whatever reason.

[Tal]

I have seen high dc's on other abilities and attacks, but there is a difference. I think the issue here is that it is a constant aura without any duration limit, specified target, or use limits. It is a constant "I win" button.

Now the following is an observation, not a whine or complaint... When you place a dragon with a constant aura like that at a doorway to a relic room, whether it be AO, RK, SL, or whatever then the majority of people coming in will get hit. Now they are in a room with hostile pc's and npc's. The battle is over before it begins. Not here and there, but every time. Now take a sneak build for instance. Ok, it gets feared. That is to be expected because the build is expected to have lower will saves. But then you take a bard/BG with really good saves and it can't save even once against the aura? It just does not seem balanced at all. That's what it is all about... balance. It is difficult to see it when you are on the user side rather than the opponent side, but there was a time we were sending toon after toon after toon just to test the dc capabilities of the aura as we failed every time and got pk'd immediately.

On another note. The aura has caused many toons to get killed by mobs and caused xp loss. I had one toon run in fear twice just to run into a wall and stand there while the mobs chopped him into pieces. Others have reported taking xp hits as well because they were mowed down by mobs.

I think the two key things that really deserve a good look over by the staff are the dc and duration.

[frogofpeace]

I THINK my sd gets slammed by the dragon fear aura about half the time. I'd be happy to test that this evening if someone wants to experiment.

[Bishop99]

My toon was a blackguard. My will save was 44 at the time. IMO this is a pretty decent save.

Your logic for druid fear aura being strong is weak. The thing about NS4 is that just about everyone is smart enough to maximize whatever element of the game they can to create an advantage. When you put something into the game you have to think to yourself: Hmm what would the max be on this ability? because someone/everyone is going to get there. A fear aura is one of those things that SHOULD NOT lead to any win-or-loose status effects. It is auto-use, it hits all targets at a pretty huge range, and it has unlimited uses.

Just about all the druid builds are just going to maximize thier wisdom anyways- it is their primary ability. "I should get something for it if I invest that much wis..." You do. You get higher DC's on spells, you get more spells, you get AC from that monk you splashed, you get to use ranged weapons at a solid AB, and you get higher will saves

1 click and you put yourself into the top 5 hardest builds to take down and gain all the other advantages of dragon form. The fear aura is over the top.

I would like to suggest a skill/stat/ab/ac decrease effect instead of the fear effect as well as a DC decrease on this effect.