Blackguards

[Tsavong]

Garagoth:
Has a brothel.
Summons Balors.
Has undead monstrosities in its streets on a regular basis.
Has freaking statues of Cyric and Bane all around the place.

Cyric has many titles, some of which include the Prince of Lies, the Dark Sun, the Black Sun, the Mad God, and the Lord of Three Crowns. Cyric is closely associated with the essence of murder, strife, lies, Intrigue, and illusions.

He is considered one of the major evils in Faerûn.

Bane is a ruthless, calculating, power-hungry deity ever obsessed with expanding his power.

These are not, by any definition, good people.

Don't forget the bodies and heads of are dead enemies on the spikes outside the gates to Garagoth and all the evil things that come form the MA nexus very important that!

[Twiggy]

My take on the roleplay just beat your take on the roleplay.

HAHAHA, that is funny, not in a sarcastic kind of way but seriously made me laugh. Ok now to go against some of your stuff. While yes the have brothels (so does japan). While yes they have staked heads outside the gates (so did the vikings). Constructs aren't undead monstrosoties (think i spelled that wrong). Summoning Balors doesn't make them evil it makes them power hungry. Bane being the center most god makes it a little tough to argue against evil. But that could be attributed to the ruler of the kingdom rather than the overall mindset of the region. Pale masters being evil only is because it is based in necromancy and is the only caster prestige class worth taking that improves casting.....If they had Arch Mage as a prestige class i bet that would be added to the prestige class list and would be available to all alignments. can't change what is already here.
Eating babies is a rumor, i can not confirm or deny that i had any babies while i played my mage there. However in the Marines i ate tons of babies. In fact it was a cheer (Eat babies, Kill! OOhrah)

Having a gladiatorial arena doesn't make u non good. If you killed in the arena that would make you non good. but what if it was just a training or sparring ring? the base for researching the arcane is a necessary evil so we can further find out more about our enemies. only bards are in there so that's where we throw all our tainted citizens. Being allied with TC is because we felt sorry for them. I mean common look at them. They hug trees and stuff. Not helping them would be evil, we help the underdogs. That is Lawful good if you ever saw it.

While nature has benevelonce in it it isn't evil, so therefore it is neutral. they only help nature, if your not helping nature your against them. that is neutrality. They have not a care for laws, good, or evilness. Only furthering Nature. That is Neutral. Or an aspect of it.

While yes the majority of Aetheria is based on rollplay, that doesn't mean we can't bring roleplay into the equation and still have rollplay in there.

Just my two cents

[Bargeld]

Pale masters being evil only is because it is based in necromancy and is the only caster prestige class worth taking that improves casting.....

seriously, you crack me up!

[Cahaal]

This is really getting out of hand.

1. To be a CoT, IMO, you should have to be good. It fits with the purpose of the class and to have smite evil you should be smitable in return. Balance is what we are talking about here. You should not get to do tons of divine damage both offensively and defensively in the name of Torm and not be Good.

2. BG's should get some help at higher levels for balance. That is what we should be discussing. The ideas about improving the summon for high level BG's is a great start. I think that high level BG's should get some form of divine wrath and maybe Death Armor.

Please lets at least try to stay on the topic. Alignments of the different factions is far from the subject. Alignment of CoTs is on the subject.

[mining]

I can make a BG build with epic summon that is, for most intents and purposes, better than the Sancreed Broda and Mr. Crow builds at the moment.

Divine Wrath + double duration might and shield would permit 65 AB, 80 AC, epic dodge and 15d6 sneak cripp.

[Amoenotep]

i could get behind a COT being good only movement

[Bargeld]

Some build in NS4 like this:




While others build like this:



Devs are there to make sure they meet in the middle... with (hopefully) less emphasis on the latter.

[Amoenotep]

you know whats funny.....i've never built a char in a spread sheet or planned much ahead in building, yet i can still carry a competitive char with horrible disablities

[Rufio]

in your own mind you can tep, in your own mind

[Alkapwn]

you know whats funny.....i've never built a char in a spread sheet or planned much ahead in building, yet i can still carry a competitive char with horrible disablities

Hogre

[burrahobbit]

CoT's are uber melee toons, as they should be. No CoT ever concieved can take a well played mage one on one. Thats why they should be a melee giant, restricting them more would unbalance.

The fact that your BG sucks (in your opinion, not mine, i kinda like your BG) is a direct reflection of how you decided to build it.

How did i get sucked into this.......Oh wait, thats right, i have an opinion on everything.

[Twiggy]

Pale masters being evil only is because it is based in necromancy and is the only caster prestige class worth taking that improves casting.....

seriously, you crack me up!

what other prestige class improves casting?

[Shamedmonkey]

Pale masters being evil only is because it is based in necromancy and is the only caster prestige class worth taking that improves casting.....

seriously, you crack me up!

what other prestige class improves casting?

Certainly not Pale Master.

[Amoenotep]

it adds a bit more melee to your caster...mage to your mage is negligible as it only adds half lvls to caster lvl

[Twiggy]

Pale master does add to caster, You get more spell slots, and it adds to caster lvl.....obviosuly not very much, but far more than any other prestige class.....my point still stands.....and cahal's point stands too. BG's should be improved. CoT's should be good, since they are not being added into another factions repertoire. And NC is a primarily good faction....(should be all good)