mining wrote:The main reason there are no amazing BGs is because TC and NC don't get BG. But seriously, how about sorc35/BG5. Thats an amazing BG. Also, why take 29 BG, given that the last BG feat level is 28. Also, I wonder how many books you used on your BG, just out of interest. Don't compare your smiter with a focused melee build. Finally, CoTs don't need to be good for the same reason Harper Scouts don't require you to be good.
that isn't a BG that's a sorcerer. if it was a BG it would have a majority of BG lvls.
The point is what the class offers, not the archetype of build it is. A 5 SD is not a SD archetype, but it is one of the better uses of the SD class.
Also, paladin 12, monk 12, WM 16 is a WM, paladin or monk? It uses elements of them all.
Or how about a 17rogue/17 shifter/6 druid. Thats a shifter? Or is it a rogue.
Point is, its what gives it significant proportion of its uniqueness.
Bargeld wrote:Overall, I think most would agree that a pure rogue is probably the worst build on the server.
mining wrote:A 5 SD is not a SD archetype, but it is one of the better uses of the SD class.
*cough* only use *cough*
Harper scout and PDK are 5 lvl max classes. Both are PRCs. If you take a PRC you essentially 'are' that class. If you are a monk SD, your 'trick' is HiPS. If you are 5 PDK, you do do fear aura or the party buff thing. If you are BG, you do saves and Div shield/might. The point is that your build is centered around the PRC abilities, which 'makes' you that class.
A big discrepancy between pally and BG is that you can do a pallie + a PRC, but not with a BG. A bg will never be the smiter that a pally can, nor will it ever have the same class mix options (like a pallie WM). The summon will never be on par with a PM summon. So it's a 'dip' class as mentioned before. But even in conversation in-game, most people will refer to the build as the PRC, like 'is that your BG' or 'here comes that SD'. Remember that no one knows the class mixes you have... but will try their best to determine the mix, and the PRC abilities are usually the giveaway.
But anyone can guess a solid 70% of the time to within 10% or so accuracy .
Bargeld wrote:Overall, I think most would agree that a pure rogue is probably the worst build on the server.
also if u have multiple classes and they are about roughly the same in levels then it wouldn't be one class it would be 3. so the pally wm monk, would be all 3. If u take only 5 levels of a class u cannot claim that you are that class. you are in effect a sorcerer who dabbles in black guard skills.
I would like to see blackguards have more of a purpose than just being dabbled in.
Multiclassing is for surviving, and being prepared for all circumstances. Single classing or near single classing are for specific purposes. However some single classes only purpose is to be used in multi classing.
Another point is that if u made things more single class friendly there would be less cheesiness, becuase the effectiveness of the build would be lower by multiclassing.
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mining wrote:A 5 SD is not a SD archetype, but it is one of the better uses of the SD class.
*cough* only use *cough*
Harper scout and PDK are 5 lvl max classes. Both are PRCs. If you take a PRC you essentially 'are' that class. If you are a monk SD, your 'trick' is HiPS. If you are 5 PDK, you do do fear aura or the party buff thing. If you are BG, you do saves and Div shield/might. The point is that your build is centered around the PRC abilities, which 'makes' you that class.
A big discrepancy between pally and BG is that you can do a pallie + a PRC, but not with a BG. A bg will never be the smiter that a pally can, nor will it ever have the same class mix options (like a pallie WM). The summon will never be on par with a PM summon. So it's a 'dip' class as mentioned before. But even in conversation in-game, most people will refer to the build as the PRC, like 'is that your BG' or 'here comes that SD'. Remember that no one knows the class mixes you have... but will try their best to determine the mix, and the PRC abilities are usually the giveaway.
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I noticed that I checked the board from work earlier today (and was logged in) and the 'current time' at the top right of each page was WAY off. Like it was 9AM EST and it said it was 2PM. I actually checked my board settings and all looked right so, I moved on. It looks like it happened on the other topics in the past few hours too... It looks correct now, but you can see that some of the above posts have that incorrect time stamp on them.
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Twiggy wrote:why have a class if it's only good for 5 levels.
also if u have multiple classes and they are about roughly the same in levels then it wouldn't be one class it would be 3. so the pally wm monk, would be all 3. If u take only 5 levels of a class u cannot claim that you are that class. you are in effect a sorcerer who dabbles in black guard skills.
I would like to see blackguards have more of a purpose than just being dabbled in.
Multiclassing is for surviving, and being prepared for all circumstances. Single classing or near single classing are for specific purposes. However some single classes only purpose is to be used in multi classing.
Another point is that if u made things more single class friendly there would be less cheesiness, becuase the effectiveness of the build would be lower by multiclassing.
Pure classes kills creativety! And Pupies!!
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Amoenotep wrote:if you die to harper that just means your build sucks.
Twiggy wrote:why have a class if it's only good for 5 levels.
also if u have multiple classes and they are about roughly the same in levels then it wouldn't be one class it would be 3. so the pally wm monk, would be all 3. If u take only 5 levels of a class u cannot claim that you are that class. you are in effect a sorcerer who dabbles in black guard skills.
I would like to see blackguards have more of a purpose than just being dabbled in.
Multiclassing is for surviving, and being prepared for all circumstances. Single classing or near single classing are for specific purposes. However some single classes only purpose is to be used in multi classing.
Another point is that if u made things more single class friendly there would be less cheesiness, becuase the effectiveness of the build would be lower by multiclassing.
Pure classes kills creativety! And Pupies!!
no one said you couldn't be creative. Be a creative single classer
I'm not saying only make single classes. i'm saying make it more single class friendly. I want a simple build that does it's purpose and still can hold it's own. I don't like that if u single class, a multi class cheese build will always beat the crap outa you. This game is secondary, I don't wanna waste days trying to figure out a build that does everything. I wanna paladin that kills evil like it's it's job, and not be worried that a rogue/ w/e can do it better than i can. multi classes should be jack of all trades master of none, while single classes should be mater of their purpose. Everything has a place and in it's place a purpose. IDC what the purpose is just so long that it has one, and it's useful.
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Twiggy wrote:why have a class if it's only good for 5 levels.
also if u have multiple classes and they are about roughly the same in levels then it wouldn't be one class it would be 3. so the pally wm monk, would be all 3. If u take only 5 levels of a class u cannot claim that you are that class. you are in effect a sorcerer who dabbles in black guard skills.
I would like to see blackguards have more of a purpose than just being dabbled in.
Multiclassing is for surviving, and being prepared for all circumstances. Single classing or near single classing are for specific purposes. However some single classes only purpose is to be used in multi classing.
Another point is that if u made things more single class friendly there would be less cheesiness, becuase the effectiveness of the build would be lower by multiclassing.
Pure classes kills creativety! And Pupies!!
no one said you couldn't be creative. Be a creative single classer
I'm not saying only make single classes. i'm saying make it more single class friendly. I want a simple build that does it's purpose and still can hold it's own. I don't like that if u single class, a multi class cheese build will always beat the crap outa you. This game is secondary, I don't wanna waste days trying to figure out a build that does everything. I wanna paladin that kills evil like it's it's job, and not be worried that a rogue/ w/e can do it better than i can. multi classes should be jack of all trades master of none, while single classes should be mater of their purpose. Everything has a place and in it's place a purpose. IDC what the purpose is just so long that it has one, and it's useful.
Make a pure fighter or pure paladin, or a pure barbarian, or a 30 RDD, or a 30 PM, or a 30 DWD, or a 30 CoT, or a 30 WM (lol), and it'll work. It'll do its job fine. But if you want to get that 1 AB/AC advantage, you'll multiclass that WM, or that DWD.
Bargeld wrote:Overall, I think most would agree that a pure rogue is probably the worst build on the server.
Twiggy wrote:why have a class if it's only good for 5 levels.
also if u have multiple classes and they are about roughly the same in levels then it wouldn't be one class it would be 3. so the pally wm monk, would be all 3. If u take only 5 levels of a class u cannot claim that you are that class. you are in effect a sorcerer who dabbles in black guard skills.
I would like to see blackguards have more of a purpose than just being dabbled in.
Multiclassing is for surviving, and being prepared for all circumstances. Single classing or near single classing are for specific purposes. However some single classes only purpose is to be used in multi classing.
Another point is that if u made things more single class friendly there would be less cheesiness, becuase the effectiveness of the build would be lower by multiclassing.
Pure classes kills creativety! And Pupies!!
no one said you couldn't be creative. Be a creative single classer
I'm not saying only make single classes. i'm saying make it more single class friendly. I want a simple build that does it's purpose and still can hold it's own. I don't like that if u single class, a multi class cheese build will always beat the crap outa you. This game is secondary, I don't wanna waste days trying to figure out a build that does everything. I wanna paladin that kills evil like it's it's job, and not be worried that a rogue/ w/e can do it better than i can. multi classes should be jack of all trades master of none, while single classes should be mater of their purpose. Everything has a place and in it's place a purpose. IDC what the purpose is just so long that it has one, and it's useful.
It's all well and good building for one purpose if it does that thing extremely well. But posts like these make me cry inside. I don't want simple builds. Screw that, that leads down to everyone making the same build over and over. Get creative. Let your building skill shine through. You should be rewarded for coming up with a really good multiclass build. Not have one of the billlion crappy pure fighters do it better than you. As Rufio said, Pure Classes are the root of all evil and should be destroyed.
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