Dragon Fear question

[Malik]

Haha, I'm beginning to doubt if you'll ever be able to get it.

[Daltian]

Shamed doesn't have that problem, he gets up to 63 fully buffed

Lots of pure fighters like hanging out around high 20s to low 30s though, and all it takes is one bad roll before you're pretty much done in the fight.

hehe im gonna go ahead and assume you've never made a pure fighter shamed, they have a token that gives immunity to fear.

Apart from the pains of leveling up, what would stop you from making a charisma-based RDD? Once your in dragon form it doesn't matter anyway.

not really that simple, heavy book reqs or sacrifice other things that make it viable (epic dr, blinding speed), the pre epic rdd stats do matter in what feats they allow you to take, juggling fafnirs stats wasnt real easy and i used 3 books on him.

korrs dragon gets everything faf gets (except stun fist and two lower ab once his very temp buffs run out) and some divine dmg from divine might, i think the modifier is +12, not stunning and he used FIVE books, again thats a huge investment for +4 on the fear aura (using my example scale for it).

basically it means make more sacrifices for a decent fear aura, similar to the way shifters must make sacrifices for theirs.

like i said, just an idea though. change, keep it the same, nerf it more, whatever.

but your right linux it has become pretty amusing "OMG he actually failed that will save..."

Nyleni has 49 dc on her aura but no blinding speed and I am not sure if she has epic DR. Not sure about stuning fist. You need to understand that RDD dragon can't have all the perks that shifter has. You already got the ability to shift into dragon that is shifters ultimate feat that he needs to sacrifice a lot to get it (30 wisdom, no multiclassing except druid, and epic feat used up on it) and now you even want the aura that is the only real distinction between the two.

You can say shifter has better self buffs then RDD, but druid dragon has even better self buffs then RDD one and yet I fail to see any druid dragons in AO. I wonder why?

[Amoenotep]

i want the druid/shifter dragon that works in the 30wis for dragonshape, 25dex for blinding speed, and stun fist feats

[Daltian]

i want the druid/shifter dragon that works in the 30wis for dragonshape, 25dex for blinding speed, and stun fist feats

But you still wouldn't have no epic DR some dragons have with all that and no discipline to protect you from bigsby.

[Lokey]

Epic DR would be useless as a dragon. Just saying...(does not stack with what's on the items).

[Daltian]

Epic DR stacks with whats on items. Thats 100% positive.

[Tru3Fals3]

Shamed doesn't have that problem, he gets up to 63 fully buffed

Lots of pure fighters like hanging out around high 20s to low 30s though, and all it takes is one bad roll before you're pretty much done in the fight.

hehe im gonna go ahead and assume you've never made a pure fighter shamed, they have a token that gives immunity to fear.

Apart from the pains of leveling up, what would stop you from making a charisma-based RDD? Once your in dragon form it doesn't matter anyway.

not really that simple, heavy book reqs or sacrifice other things that make it viable (epic dr, blinding speed), the pre epic rdd stats do matter in what feats they allow you to take, juggling fafnirs stats wasnt real easy and i used 3 books on him.

korrs dragon gets everything faf gets (except stun fist and two lower ab once his very temp buffs run out) and some divine dmg from divine might, i think the modifier is +12, not stunning and he used FIVE books, again thats a huge investment for +4 on the fear aura (using my example scale for it).

basically it means make more sacrifices for a decent fear aura, similar to the way shifters must make sacrifices for theirs.

like i said, just an idea though. change, keep it the same, nerf it more, whatever.

but your right linux it has become pretty amusing "OMG he actually failed that will save..."

Nyleni has 49 dc on her aura but no blinding speed and I am not sure if she has epic DR. Not sure about stuning fist. You need to understand that RDD dragon can't have all the perks that shifter has. You already got the ability to shift into dragon that is shifters ultimate feat that he needs to sacrifice a lot to get it (30 wisdom, no multiclassing except druid, and epic feat used up on it) and now you even want the aura that is the only real distinction between the two.

You can say shifter has better self buffs then RDD, but druid dragon has even better self buffs then RDD one and yet I fail to see any druid dragons in AO. I wonder why?

ah, wth are you talking about? what am i failing to understand? again, failing to actually read my post.....

firstly, there's several druid dragons in AO.

secondly, i dont want all the 'perks' shifter dragons have on my rdd, i have my own, i merely referenced the fact that shifter dragons require things for their aura & that this particular idea would make it similar for rdd dragons, not a freebie aura but something that would have to be built for.

thirdly, i am merely stating one possible alternative to the aura (that we already have.... we dont want it, we have it daltain) being free for rdd dragons (you know, that thing you guys keep complaining about, geez, seems you'll complain no matter what....). not complaining or whining, or crying for someone else's build to be nerfed as is the fashion here, merely offering an alternative.

Haha, I'm beginning to doubt if you'll ever be able to get it.

oh ill get it damnit, if i have to kill you 10000 times although im starting to suspect that you bribed linux into making some kind of no drop for tru3 script....

besides ive already got the Malik's Disarmed Dagger trophy mule all ready

[Malik]

besides ive already got the Malik's Disarmed Dagger trophy mule all ready

I feel special now ^__^

[Daltian]

I fail to underdstand why do you insist on RDD being able to be built for aura? Its shifter thing, our perk. Same as assasins dont ask for option to be able to be built for dragonshape, or CoTs being able to get assassin poison.

You guys got the dragonshape perk for rdd, shifter got the aura perk. Simple as that.

[Chernobyl_Glow]

You guys got the dragonshape perk for rdd, shifter got the aura perk. Simple as that.

So you make that decision? Thanks for clarifying. Linux seemed to be more interested in balance.

- Glow -

[Daltian]

So balance is that RDD can be built vith every ability of shifter dragon plus all the positive aspects of RDD dragon.

[Korr]

You guys got the dragonshape perk for rdd, shifter got the aura perk. Simple as that.

So you make that decision? Thanks for clarifying. Linux seemed to be more interested in balance.

- Glow -

More looked like devs made the decision and he stated it since you didnt seem to get it. One of the things I learned being (A) and building from every faction is that you have basically NO idea outside numbers (which are shady at best sometimes) what each build does/can do/cant do/will do/wont do/etc/etc/etc. Build a shifter glow before you want to say anything, so you can truly see both sides of the coin. And Daltian build a 30 RDD so you can see it too! (yes I have both)

[Daltian]

You guys got the dragonshape perk for rdd, shifter got the aura perk. Simple as that.

So you make that decision? Thanks for clarifying. Linux seemed to be more interested in balance.

- Glow -

More looked like devs made the decision and he stated it since you didnt seem to get it. One of the things I learned being (A) and building from every faction is that you have basically NO idea outside numbers (which are shady at best sometimes) what each build does/can do/cant do/will do/wont do/etc/etc/etc. Build a shifter glow before you want to say anything, so you can truly see both sides of the coin. And Daltian build a 30 RDD so you can see it too! (yes I have both)

But I can't raid Ao with RDD and it can't craft well. What am i going to do with it?

[Korr]

You can raid, just cant take a relic out ';)

[BlkMamba]

Yeah, I would say that the DC50 fear aura is a bit much compared to my DC35 fear considering that's all the RDD's have. On the shiters you can buff up with a form, use another, switch again, and do that to make your toon powerful enough to take what's there down. (It's no problem with most of the forms having unlimited use and if something doesnt work, switch to something else that does). I dont have that awesome will that can get past the fear save, so I get feared immediately & if I ever need to unshift I only have 2 uses so once they're gone, if they're persistent enough, I cant run away to rest and end up dead - no question about it. I dont have any buffs, so Im stuck with the UMD items that constantly run out b/c Im without the nice druid buffs druid/shifter's have. It doesnt seem fair to me that what sometimes works gets taken away. Yeah, we could have had a DC50 sometimes, sometimes it was a DC31 easy pass no worries, not the constant DC50 that most of the shifters are running around with. It would be better balanced to either give us back the random roll, or lower the shifter's to where it doesnt surpass us so much. We get one shift only 2 times a day, that's it. They get many form's, most unlimited that buff their dragon added onto the druid buffs - that doesnt seem right to me in the least.



-Anya (Mamba's daughter)