Rangers

[mining]

Ranger(40), Fighter(0), Rogue(0), Wood Elf

STR: 18 (30)
DEX: 16
CON: 10
WIS: 12
INT: 12
CHA: 6

Wood Elf: (Hardiness vs. Enchantments, Keen Sense, Low-light Vision, Skill Affinity: Listen, Skill Affinity: Search, Skill Affinity: Spot, Sleeplessness)
01: Ranger(1): Weapon Proficiency Exotic, Favored Enemy: humans, {Dual Wield}
02: Ranger(2)
03: Ranger(3): Weapon Focus: Dire Mace
04: Ranger(4): STR+1, (STR=19)
05: Ranger(5): Favored Enemy: Halflings
06: Ranger(6): Blind Fight
07: Ranger(7)
08: Ranger(8): STR+1, (STR=20)
09: Ranger(9): Improved Critical: Dire Mace, {Improved Two-Weapon Fighting}
10: Ranger(10): Favored Enemy: Dwarves
11: Ranger(11)
12: Ranger(12): STR+1, Iron Will, (STR=21)
13: Ranger(13)
14: Ranger(14)
15: Ranger(15): Great Fortitude, Favored Enemy: Elves
16: Ranger(16): STR+1, (STR=22)
17: Ranger(17)
18: Ranger(18): Lightning Reflexes
19: Ranger(19)
20: Ranger(20): STR+1, Favored Enemy: Gnomes, (STR=23)
21: Ranger(21): Epic Skill Focus: Discipline
22: Ranger(22)
23: Ranger(23): Bane of Enemies
24: Ranger(24): STR+1, Epic Fortitude, (STR=24)
25: Ranger(25): Favored Enemy: Half-Orcs
26: Ranger(26): Favored Enemy: Dragons
27: Ranger(27): Epic Will
28: Ranger(28): STR+1, (STR=25)
29: Ranger(29): Favored Enemy: Elementals
30: Ranger(30): Epic Reflexes, Epic Prowess
31: Ranger(31)
32: Ranger(32): STR+1, Epic Weapon Focus: Dire Mace, (STR=26)
33: Ranger(33): Armor Skin
34: Ranger(34)
35: Ranger(35): Epic Toughness I, Epic Toughness II
36: Ranger(36): STR+1, Great Strength I, (STR=28)
37: Ranger(37)
38: Ranger(38): Epic Toughness III
39: Ranger(39): Great Strength II, (STR=29)
40: Ranger(40): STR+1, Epic Toughness IV, (STR=30)

Hitpoints: 480
Skillpoints: 215
Saving Throws (Fortitude/Will/Reflex): 28/23/25
Saving Throw bonuses: Spells: +4, Mind Effects: +2
BAB: 30
AB (max, naked): 44 (melee), 34 (ranged)
AC (naked/mundane armor/shield only): 23/30
Spell Casting: Ranger(2)
Alignment Changes: 0

43 discipline, hide, ms, 21 tumble, 21 spellcraft, if you use an int book, 43 spot too. No books used in this version.


AB:

30 BAB
16 str
04 feats
02 BoE
-2 dual wield
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50 raw AB
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07 double weapon
02 aid
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59 AB.
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+4 song
+1 AVA
+1 haste
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65 AB party buffed.

AC:
10 base
05 nat
05 def
06 clothes for armor
09 dex mod (equals full plate)
04 tumble
02 AS
05 dodge (boots)
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46 AC.
This is so godawfully low that full plate effect doesn't even matter, you realize. A 60 AB build with 4 attacks a round should hit you every. single. round.

I pity you if you make this, because my wisdom based cleric gets 51 AC, (25+20+6) = 51 AB. Thats not too shabby because it has maxed DC implode and stuns/disables/KDs. So I pity this hitter with subpar stats.

[Bargeld]

AVA is +3 ab, so 67. EDR3, a set of dual resist armor, and complimentary resists on the weapon is probably the best choice for this. You will get 10% -19 across the board.

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AVA is +3 ab, so 67. EDR3, a set of dual resist armor, and complimentary resists on the weapon is probably the best choice for this. You will get 10% -19 across the board.

No dual resist armor rangers can use while TWFing.

Aid is counted in original AB calc, so +2 is already accounted.

EDR would put self AB cripplingly low.

[Bargeld]

Zot robes.

Swap that dex with con. Take a single +1 con in the level progression. Use a +4 con book. Same as above, -1 ab -3 ac.

[mining]

Zot robes.

Swap that dex with con. Take a single +1 con in the level progression. Use a +4 con book. Same as above, -1 ab -3 ac.

I'm using no books in the progression, because its for Twiggy. But yeah, you could do that. Still not gonna make you survivable. (I'd go Azer, make it in AO, and make it RDD and actually hit stuff

[Twiggy]

Not sad at all. Creative. Smart. I find the fact that you hate coming up with good builds to be morally offensive.

cheese is exploiting imbalances in the game. The game is a roleplay game, based on the forgotten realms series. So anything that wouldn't make sense rply, would be a cheese build. a ranger/cleric/monk would be a cheese build. Berg i already posted i wanted to make a ranger. I wouldn't be having this problem with a barbarian. since it is doable. I just wanted to be a ranger. Burr i don't understand how having light armor would give you reflex saves. Having dexterity would. I also posted you would need 26 dex in order to make up the ac (1 base armor and 8 dex mod to the armor is the best light armor out there). but as i already stated making up that dex would hinder the str of the build. Also people throw str builds into the heavy armor because doing both dex and str on a build hinders the build. I know it can be done. But would it be practical and not cheesy. I am building a class while you are building "builds". I want to play a class. you want to play a build. Does that make sense to yall?

Also mining. Multi classing is being a ranger/druid/shifter. Cheesing is being a ranger/cleric/monk.

You are either illiterate, insane or clinically deranged.

cheese is exploiting imbalances in the game.

anything that wouldn't make sense rply, would be a cheese build

Basically, a cheese build is anything that utilises a mixture of classes to get the best possible result. I mean, yeah. PnP has no restrictions on this kind of stuff because its *legit*. The game designers are happy for *power* builders to do stuff that *works* better than a fighter 40, or a 40 paladin, or, hell, the ohsocreative commoner 40.

The game is a roleplay game, based on the forgotten realms series.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't see Aetheria anywhere in my sourcebooks.

i don't understand how having light armor would give you reflex saves

Because there are 'boots' with bonuses to 'dex' that are greater than '+6' which means that you can, with *any* build, improve reflex with lighter armor.

I also posted you would need 26 dex in order to make up the ac (1 base armor and 8 dex mod to the armor is the best light armor out there).

Yo, I hear you don't like items. Or spells. Rangers get cats grace. Rangers can use glimmerskin boots. Said ranger can thus attain 14 base dex, self buffed +12 magic cap to dex, and thus attain 26 dex buffed.

Also people throw str builds into the heavy armor because doing both dex and str on a build hinders the build.

Oh yah, so you hate power building but you dislike taking the 'hindering' option that is available if you go the non-RP route of being a ranger in heavy armor. Yeah. Oooooook.

I am building a class while you are building "builds".

Do you want a pure class, or something so risque as a 35 ranger/5 harper scout or 35 ranger/5 rogue. Because I can draft one of those for you right now and you can have fun playing the class, or the build of the class.

Here, let me show you something famous among learned DnD players. Its called the monk with no monk levels.

http://tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?t=13119

lokey please show me this str build that uses light armor, i am very interested in seeing it.

I can show you a str build that uses light armor too. Hell, I'll do it in the same part of the above statement where I'll show you a ranger/hs. It'll be informative and helpful to you. (the lack of haste will cripple the build for pvm, but for pvp it should hold out fine)

Also, don't dual rapiers. They're medium weapons, you'll be at -2 more AB.

Secondly, 31/2/7 is inherently better for caster levels and durations etc.
EDIT: 32/1/7 gets you the same number of feats as 30/3/7, so thats probably the best.

i could smack you in the face mining. I COULD MAKE THE BUILD. the problem is making it work so it's useful. as you so plainly pointed out, it is far from useful. If i didnt have to put points into dex i could put it into con, get dr. and possibly make it work. however how it is now, it will be target practice. please don't respon anymore, cause i don't want to get angry. i already said i was done talking about it.


Shadow your "healthy" alternative sounds so flabergastingly tasty i might actually make that cereal myself

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On a more constructive note, its going to be hitting bait anyway, so you can use robes, and have 10 AC, and who cares, because its still going to be hit as much.

Also, its not that it isn't useful... Its just that the AC is always going to be godawful.

[Shamedmonkey]

Twiggy...this all comes back the philosophy of you wanting it easy to make good builds. You lack the creativity and building skill to do it yourself, so you want it done for you with bonuses that are unneeded.

[Twiggy]

Twiggy...this all comes back the philosophy of you wanting it easy to make good builds. You lack the creativity and building skill to do it yourself, so you want it done for you with bonuses that are unneeded.

shamed, i like leveling with you. But i'm anything but uncreative. I make classes, not builds. who said anything about it being easy. I want it to be possible to make classes that can run with builds. If i felt like it, i could make it. However, it's just a game. I don't want to spend my time figuring out builds.

This topic is over. as was proved, making the class the way i want to is impossible unless i want to die within two seconds in a fight. any further posts would not be helpful.

Thanks

[mining]

Twiggy...this all comes back the philosophy of you wanting it easy to make good builds. You lack the creativity and building skill to do it yourself, so you want it done for you with bonuses that are unneeded.

shamed, i like leveling with you. But i'm anything but uncreative. I make classes, not builds. who said anything about it being easy. I want it to be possible to make classes that can run with builds. If i felt like it, i could make it. However, it's just a game. I don't want to spend my time figuring out builds.

This topic is over. as was proved, making the class the way i want to is impossible unless i want to die within two seconds in a fight. any further posts would not be helpful.

Thanks

Uh, any TWF class thats str based has the survivability of a fruit fly, you know that? AC will never be sufficient. So you can either go barbarian (you said no) or multiclass. Not a hard decision

[Daltian]

I don't want to spend my time figuring out builds.

[Shamedmonkey]

it's just a game. I don't want to spend my time figuring out builds.

You forgot this part. Twiggy, your argument basically comes down to you saying because it's a game it should be easy. Thank you, and good night.

[mining]

i'm anything but uncreative.

I want it to be possible to make classes that can run with builds.

If i felt like it, i could make it.

I don't want to spend my time figuring out builds.

[Jmana]

Ok, i could not come up with a viable pvm build using just ranger and a double weapon. Here is my alternative.

Gith 35 ranger 5 rogue.

It uses shortswords, basically because the option of adding 9AC from a tower shield is great if the mobss all decide they hate you.

pre-epic feats: focus, blind-fight, crit, expertise, iron will, great fort, 2 left of your choice.
Epic feats: armor skin, epic fort, epic will, Great str I, II, III, IV, prowess, epic wpn focus, Favoured enemy, favoured enemy .

Your starting with 14 str + 10 increases +2 book + 4 feats +8 item = 38 (+14)
your starting with 14 dex +2 book + 7 boots + 2 cats + 1 TC jobs = 26 ( +8)

AB = 30 base + 8 wpn + 4 feats +14 str +2 aid = 58 AB
AC = 10 base + 8 dex + 7 (padded +6) + 5 natural + 5 deflection + 5 dodge + 8 tumble + 2 armor skin + 4 gith +9 shield = 63AC

Ok now you can turn experise on and have 53 AB 68 AC (sword and board)

Duel-wield AB = 56, AC = 54
Duel-wield with expertise on 51 AB, 59AC


nothing massively powerfull though with a bard around youll get 4 ab 4 ac i think and dont forget you can hips outdoors and bane of enemies will give you another 2 AB
Hope this helps, i know its not exactly what you wanted but lets face it ranger 40 has no pure bonuses like pally fighter barbarian - not sure why they got left out when all the other "warrior" classes got something for being 40 pure.

[mining]

Because, dex based ranger 40 is actually viable. Gets 60s AB and 70s AC (76? IIRC)