Assassins

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Should Assassins get indoor HiPS?

Yes
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No
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I'm a (lame) DM and want to see the results
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5%
 
Total votes: 37
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Re: Assassins

Post by Lokey »

Stunning fist should not be used for comparison since it's insane and will get slapped stupid someday.

Script for ethereal in ghostly visage says only at assassin 30 do you get the 2nd round, I think that differs from doc and has alka beating up kittens and anything else fluffy within reach.

Haven't dug into much else. Or read much else here, I'm still way behind on things I promised to do last month :)
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Re: Assassins

Post by mining »

[Sat Sep 04 18:21:23] Loading Module: nw_s0_ghostvis
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:07] mining monk8 has joined as a player..
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:08] [Server] You are now in a No PVP area.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:13] Resting.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:15] Done resting.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:18] Broken Arrow uses Flurry (Two Sockets) Stone Stone
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Spell id = 605
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Caster level = 3
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Spell save dc = 22
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Spell cast as class: 255
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Tag of spell item used:
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] At spell cast checks done.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Broken Arrow casts Ghostly Visage
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Spell id = 605
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Caster level = 3
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Spell save dc = 22
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Spell cast as class: 255
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] Tag of spell item used:
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:25] At spell cast checks done.
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:26] Has effect from spell ghost vis = 0
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:26] Has effect from feat ghost vis = 0
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:26] After spell checks done.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:26] Has effect from spell ghost vis = 0
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:26] Has effect from feat ghost vis = 0
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:26] After spell checks done.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:22:52] PAUSED
[Sat Sep 04 18:22:53] Server Shutting Down

[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:50] Valundur [test] Gencia casting Ghostly Visage
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Spell id = 120
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Caster level = 20
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Spell save dc = 21
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Spell cast as class: 1
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Tag of spell item used:
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] At spell cast checks done.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Valundur [test] Gencia casts Ghostly Visage
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Spell id = 120
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Caster level = 20
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Spell save dc = 21
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Spell cast as class: 1
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] Tag of spell item used:
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:51] At spell cast checks done.
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:52] Has effect from spell ghost vis = 1
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:52] Has effect from feat ghost vis = 0
[Sat Sep 04 18:23:52] After spell checks done.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:52] Has effect from spell ghost vis = 1
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:52] Has effect from feat ghost vis = 0
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:23:52] After spell checks done.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Sat Sep 04 18:24:02] PAUSED


Hide Test is assassin, Akula is a sorceror.

Script: http://pastebin.myrror.net/2686
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Re: Assassins

Post by Daltian »

61dc stun isnt that common. My CoT has it and he is no hipser. Pure fighter stunners have it, few more builds can get it but monk sd stunners dont get that DC. If monk/sd wants good hide/ms and stun he ends up with simmilar dilema as assassins do.
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Re: Assassins

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Daltian wrote:61dc stun isnt that common. My CoT has it and he is no hipser. Pure fighter stunners have it, few more builds can get it but monk sd stunners dont get that DC. If monk/sd wants good hide/ms and stun he ends up with simmilar dilema as assassins do.
All you need are, what, 10 feats and 20 wis? I'm sure thats possible with ESF hide and MS.
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Re: Assassins

Post by Daltian »

It isn't.
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Re: Assassins

Post by mining »

Daltian wrote:It isn't.
In theory... what, 7 epic feats + 5 bonus feats should make for esf hide/ms + ISF X. So fighter 8, monk 13, SD 19. Should get 125+ hide.
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Re: Assassins

Post by Daltian »

I posted that build long time ago on TSS forums. If making fighter/monk/sd you have to worry about saves too. And lack of ab/damage. It isn't comparable to assassin at all since assassin kills whatever he paralyzes quite easy.
You also need tons of skill points for that build, and fighter isn't exactly generous.
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Re: Assassins

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Daltian wrote:I posted that build long time ago on TSS forums. If making fighter/monk/sd you have to worry about saves too. And lack of ab/damage. It isn't comparable to assassin at all since assassin kills whatever he paralyzes quite easy.
You also need tons of skill points for that build, and fighter isn't exactly generous.
Assassin kills what it paralyzes, but its hard for it to paralyze.
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Re: Assassins

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Lokey wrote:Stunning fist should not be used for comparison since it's insane and will get slapped stupid someday.
Surprised it hasn't already been honestly. Make the improved stunning fist feat just add 1 dc instead of 2 and be done with it.
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Re: Assassins

Post by Tsavong »

If that can be done I think would be a good change.
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Re: Assassins

Post by Daltian »

To be hones I also think stunning fist is ridiculous, but it is one of ways to kill HIPSers. If there was no HIPS I wouldn't mind having stunning fist nerfed. But with HIPS still on rampage I am against it.
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Re: Assassins

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Rufio wrote:
Lokey wrote:Stunning fist should not be used for comparison since it's insane and will get slapped stupid someday.
Surprised it hasn't already been honestly. Make the improved stunning fist feat just add 1 dc instead of 2 and be done with it.
I would suspect stunning fist is hardcoded, i.e. dev crit.
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Re: Assassins

Post by Face_of_Bo »

Daltian wrote:To be hones I also think stunning fist is ridiculous, but it is one of ways to kill HIPSers. If there was no HIPS I wouldn't mind having stunning fist nerfed. But with HIPS still on rampage I am against it.
ditto

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Re: Assassins

Post by Tsavong »

Oh yes because its much better to have stun fisters with DCs just the wrong side of stupid and hips on the rampage :roll: :lol:

How ever you cut it a ability that gets a +2 from a feat you can take 10 of and get it up to dc 60+ is overpowered.
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Re: Assassins

Post by Daltian »

It is overpowered, I agree, but it's one of few ways to effectively stop HIPSers. And Stunning fist builds with over 60 AC all have big limits to them. People just don't know them and I definitely don't want to advertise them here.
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