Rakshasa nerf

[burrahobbit]

Any way you guys could use bigby 7 if you wanted to.

By scroll casting it? Your not being serious are you?

[Shadowalker]

I don't really mind any nerf that happens honestly, the only thing I would like to see happen when it comes to nerf's though (unless it is something incrediably broken that is being nerfed) is some form of discussion.

I mean the reason the server is still here after all these years is the player base, so a vote or discussion on proposed nerf's would be really nice to see, on the forums preferably alot of talk happens on IRC, good/bad and otherwise. Be good to have open discussions about nerfs before they are put in instead of "Yep here it is, deal with it kthxbi"

That was part of the oddity, as with the golem nerf of DI last month, there was no mention in the "Change Log". The players are much more accepting of change, when they are made aware of it. Instead of discovering it on thier own.

I dont mean to sound ungratefull for all the work that the voluenteers do. And while I cant see it, doesnt mean there wasnt good reason for the change. but I beleive the mannor in which it was handled could use some improvement.

The staff and single developer are all we have left, maybe we are as concerned that this could be the beging of the end, as we are about the changes. Staff + players = Aetheria

[Carejo]

Requires a 100% guaranteed balanced spell selection plus something that doesn't take a lot to implement plus 0 testing because that's all I'll feel like doing. So gone probably gone forever.

Okay. I have faith in your direction, and respect your decision. Thanks for putting it out there and ending all discussion on the subject.

[Rufio]

so what is my rak build supposed to do now? breach things? it can't do anything else anymore, it's ab is horribly low for melee and AC isn't even good either

[mining]

Oh, I know, let the spam Isaacs *lesser* missile storm. I mean, that means you need AQ III to do full spam, and I never see anyone using it in pvp anyway.

Also;

considering most SDs wear pierce armor

http://www.nsrealm.com/ns4wiki/index.ph ... n%27s_Silk

Robes with bludgeoning DI, get a shield with bludg DR, and you're rolling with 50% DI and 20/- DR. Does that make Ice storm less scary?

How about if you utilise elemental shield.

What if you take an EER cold.

HiPSers can outdamage Rak's so easily its not funny. If the Rak has 127spot, it is so ridiculously spot focused its funny.

[Daral0085]

so what is my rak build supposed to do now? breach things? it can't do anything else anymore, it's ab is horribly low for melee and AC isn't even good either

One option is to make it a level 40 mule, or if you took enough druid, you can turn it into a crafter. You can also use it with drider shape to web bolt things. In team pvp that is a reasonably effective strategy.

[Amoenotep]

my non focused Rak shape gets around 110 spot without really trying. he's hogre and still comes close to 70ac. you weren't nerfed because your ice storm was so awesome it owned everything..the discussion truly was limit the amount of castings/shift for shapes. unlimited anything on any build is ignorant and a horrible idea.

quick fix was to disable, beg bril to come back and do some deving and we might get him to change some stuff

[Bargeld]

Oh, I know, let the spam Isaacs *lesser* missile storm. I mean, that means you need AQ III to do full spam, and I never see anyone using it in pvp anyway.

Also;

considering most SDs wear pierce armor

http://www.nsrealm.com/ns4wiki/index.ph ... n%27s_Silk

Robes with bludgeoning DI, get a shield with bludg DR, and you're rolling with 50% DI and 20/- DR. Does that make Ice storm less scary?

How about if you utilise elemental shield.

What if you take an EER cold.

HiPSers can outdamage Rak's so easily its not funny. If the Rak has 127spot, it is so ridiculously spot focused its funny.

I'll be honest... you're getting ridiculous at this point. Every one of your comments here has a counter-response to it...

Isaacs lesser splits the damage between targets and is nullified by SR and there are even items that reflect it.

considering most SDs wear pierce armor

And the silk is MUCH more difficult to acquire than mole king robes.

And yes, any build could take EER cold and gear for cold. You could focus your HiPSer to be Rak-resistant... damn I wish I had thought of that. [/sarcasm]

Seriously let it go and retire the nerfed toon like the rest of us do when a 'key' ability gets nerfed. Opinions have been voiced at this point, you're argueing and quoting players in order to try to change the dev's mind on something already completed, announced, and explained.

[Rufio]

It seems silly that my weakest build just got nerfed. I never even use the thing because it is a huge liability in parties.

And of course it can counter hipsers. It doesn't have any spotting advantage over any other build, it's just that with the ability to cast true seeing and a decent wisdom, focusing on spot and divination is a natural way to go with the build.

[Ryddwillow]

my non focused Rak shape gets around 110 spot without really trying. he's hogre and still comes close to 70ac. you weren't nerfed because your ice storm was so awesome it owned everything..the discussion truly was limit the amount of castings/shift for shapes. unlimited anything on any build is ignorant and a horrible idea.

quick fix was to disable, beg bril to come back and do some deving and we might get him to change some stuff

The rest of of us are getting gear and it is given to you, ok.

look at pm's and the summons name a druid or shifter shape to defeat them? or anyone in TC that has a ab of 74

A sd/mage, who can pk them from TC?

A pure barb,

A pure fighter,

A pure mage casting bigsby

Tc summons go to lvl 25, Tc spends it on wisdom and we get nerfed toons.

In summary I care less, but fair is fair, I'll build to suit my pk's to get you. Should really think about the outcome instead of the beginning.

Take so much, but give back hardly nothing

[mining]

Bargeld, the suckiness of ILMS is WHY I'm suggesting it for raks . 100% balanced.

My point on assasains silk is that you used 'HiPSers wear bludg armor, so Rak Ice spam kills them.'

Thats like me saying that there are no clerics with magic resist gear, so IGMS should be nerfed, because its so good at countering clerics.

Anyways, enough from me for a day or two, my posts per day figure noticeably increased lol.

[Carejo]

The rest of of us are getting gear and it is given to you, ok.

look at pm's and the summons name a druid or shifter shape to defeat them? or anyone in TC that has a ab of 74

A sd/mage, who can pk them from TC?

A pure barb,

A pure fighter,

A pure mage casting bigsby

Tc summons go to lvl 25, Tc spends it on wisdom and we get nerfed toons.

In summary I care less, but fair is fair, I'll build to suit my pk's to get you. Should really think about the outcome instead of the beginning.

Take so much, but give back hardly nothing

What you fail to take into consideration is that in NS4, which is to all extents and purposes a paper-rock-scissors game, Shifters can simply shift into Rock, Paper, or Scissors. A Pure Fighter will always be Rock.

Shifter can kill Palemasters, Pure Fighters, and Pure Barbarians relatively easily.

And furthermore, frankly sir, I think you're an asshat and I don't much care for you at all. Good day.

[weasel423]

And furthermore, frankly sir, I think you're an asshat and I don't much care for you at all. Good day.

[Daltian]

And furthermore, frankly sir, I think you're an asshat and I don't much care for you at all. Good day.

[weasel423]

And furthermore, frankly sir, I think you're an asshat and I don't much care for you at all. Good day.

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