faction ideas

lordvan52681 · Post by **lordvan52681** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:43 pm

the only problem I see with making WM LA only is its affect on NC/TC which are already severely limited. Very few from these factions use SD, but alot of people use WM as NC is very tank heavy (no sorcerers, wizards, druids, or rangers).

My main problem is exactly what you said, AO allows every single class/allignment/race that LA does AND RDD's. This alone makes AO more powerful than any other faction. Add to that they also have an ally, and noone stands a chance.

I say take away dwarves (who hate dragons and vice-versa), take away paladins (same as dwarves), and give every other faction a chance.

Go'f · Post by **Go'f** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:19 pm

lordvan52681 wrote:the only problem I see with making WM LA only is its affect on NC/TC which are already severely limited. Very few from these factions use SD, but alot of people use WM as NC is very tank heavy (no sorcerers, wizards, druids, or rangers).

My main problem is exactly what you said, AO allows every single class/allignment/race that LA does AND RDD's. This alone makes AO more powerful than any other faction. Add to that they also have an ally, and noone stands a chance.

I say take away dwarves (who hate dragons and vice-versa), take away paladins (same as dwarves), and give every other faction a chance.

Weapon Master is widely used and not overly powerful there is no balance need to restrict it. I suggest making SD LA only it boosts LA and restricts its abuse, there is also a very good plot support for this with connections to research into the rifts and planar travels. This should suit everyone apart from those players currently building SD charactors in other factions, but if its not retroactive and Existing SDs are allowed to continue I see no big problem there either.

AO numbers are high because it is to open, also RDD is an awesome PrC. I like the restriction from extreme Alignments concept it solves the AO has to many options problem, and removes Paladin/Sorc/RDD build.

IMHO LA numbers and levels are too low because they offer nothing other than a safe environment to learn the server, give them a PrC (SD) and people will follow (and go Epic). Also they gets mosy new players because the background nicely matches a carton from the 90's DnD where they were trying to return home... its cool (almost cool enough to stay in)!

Go'f · Post by **Go'f** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:01 pm

See Player Poll I just made

http://www.nsrealm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=3783

lordvan52681 · Post by **lordvan52681** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:33 pm

Flailer wrote:Some updates to what's allowed in the factions today:

The Circle:
- New Cleric domains added to the existing Plant and Animal domains[Allowed new domains are: Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Healing, Protection, Sun, Destruction]
- Monk will now be an allowed class in TC.
- Fighter also allowed in TC

Mystral Ascendancy:
- Cleric domains added to the current Magic and Trickery domains: Death, Evil, Knowledge, and War.

Northern Coalition:
- Ranger now allowed (makes sense with all the territory they need to protect and with their alliance with The Circle)

Ragnar's Kin:
- Gnomes now allowed in RK (the opening cutscene and dialogs haven't been altered to reflect that yet, but we'll get to that soon)

Great job Flailer! I like these new aditions, and believe they will make the lesser used factions more popular.

Now if we could add some restrictions to AO, I think this server will look like it was intended....

lord_modred · Post by **lord_modred** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:19 pm

Red-Mane wrote:
I suggest making SD LA only it boosts LA and restricts its abuse, there is also a very good plot support for this with connections to research into the rifts and planar travels.

this still makes no sense to me, SD has little, if anything, to do with planar travel. and even if you were going to use this argument, MA is the faction that is studying planar travel and the rifts, not LA. LA is just trying to kill all of the invaders.
additionally, making LA the only faction that could make HIPSers is a bad bad idea, imagine that only one faction in the game can make hips mages, and imagine that only one faction in the game can use hips to steal artifacts(which is a tactic everyone is all too fond of, as ive seen). this spells out a massive power imbalance.

Elagneros · Post by **Elagneros** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:22 pm

lord_modred wrote:additionally, making LA the only faction that could make HIPSers is a bad bad idea, imagine that only one faction in the game can make hips mages, and imagine that only one faction in the game can use hips to steal artifacts(which is a tactic everyone is all too fond of, as ive seen). this spells out a massive power imbalance.

What's the problem with that?

But seriously, I agree. I have no idea where people got the SD for LA idea, it doesn't really fit with the faction itself, and I think it's best to keep the class open to all factions given that it's pretty good if done right (today's faction changes have given both NC and TC much better SD access).

MLoki · Post by **MLoki** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 10:56 am

lordvan52681 wrote:I say take away dwarves (who hate dragons and vice-versa), take away paladins (same as dwarves), and give every other faction a chance.

I can understand the Paladins being removed from AO only because of the egocentric slavery thing but AO is allied with Dwarves so who says they hate AO? Both Dragons and Dwarves love gold so where is the problem? Just because Dragons also love the taste of Dwarves doesn't mean that the dwarves hate Dragons.

On that note why not allow Paladins only in NC? What Paladin wouldn't want to serve the only absolute good faction in the realm? This would eliminate the Sorc/Paladin combination as well.

MLoki

Go'f · Post by **Go'f** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:40 am

I am sure I read somewhere, maybe in the join LA fluff (that everyone does at some point cause its the obvious bland learn the place option) it was ages ago....

i lose the plot this late, so tires, what time is it...

as i was saying I am sure I read that LA the only group that have not given up on closing the rifts and or sending everyine home... reminded me of the DnD carton from the 80's

"Wah wah"
"yes uni, in the well"

mmmm, sleep now

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:19 pm

Paladin only in NC, LA, and RK makes sense.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:30 pm

That non-dwarves idea in AO is awesome! It makes a TON of sense, although paladins must stay in AO unfortunately. Theres a gold and brass dragon in Sleeth, sorry. Restricting races is a great way to make a faction less powerful, just look at RK. lol, jk. But yeah, good idea.

MLoki wrote:I can understand the Paladins being removed from AO only because of the egocentric slavery thing but AO is allied with Dwarves so who says they hate AO? Both Dragons and Dwarves love gold so where is the problem? Just because Dragons also love the taste of Dwarves doesn't mean that the dwarves hate Dragons.

That is possibly the most retarded argument I have ever heard. They both love gold, they both fight over gold, they both KILL each other over gold. If you also did not notice, the alliance between Sleeth and Ragnar's Kin has the title of "(Tedious)" right next to it. In the AO introduction when making a character, they insult their dwarven allies many times.

Nemesis Revised · Post by **Nemesis Revised** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:37 pm

hmm i dont think pally should be allowed in AO. although almost no one uses it, i feel strongly that pallies would rather serve their divine gods than dragons

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:46 pm

You make a good point nemesis, but paladins are zealots if anything. They're lawful servants who serve the masters (god or overlord) without hesitation. You're thinking Champion of Torm, who serves the good gods directly. Paladins like to help people and stuff, and as we all know AO has a gold dragon. Gold dragons are the kings of paladins in my book.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:08 pm

just because there is a gold dragon in AO doesn't mean a pally will overlook the fact there is slavery and racial abuse there. the oppression of alot of races alone would drive him to be an outcast and seek out a better life somewhere else.

Nemesis Revised · Post by **Nemesis Revised** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:20 pm

death eater has a point, a paladin shouldn't align himself with a faction that enslaves a multitude of other races.

paladin should be out or be outcasted to the sewers the moment he joins AO

lordvan52681 · Post by **lordvan52681** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 3:09 pm

yeah, paladins would never serve an evil dragon, and no matter how many "good" dragons are in AO, they are offset by the evil ones.

As for dwarves, I have no problem with them being slaves, but no dwarf would willingly help to fill the coffers of a dragon. they are bitter enemies in that they want the exact same things, and arent willing to share.