AA Death Arrow

[Alkapwn]

Or make it an actual real shot instead of a ranged touch attack

[Amoenotep]

it also takes like 2-3 rounds to shoot....i've actually died from trying to shoot one. the target ran across the screen and beat me to death while i stood there preparing my shot.

[cRaZy8or5e]

the dc is 50 with 30 AA lvls. AA's have no real epic feat selection, no good saves, no skill sets that are useful.

dc is AA+15 with a +5 bonus at lvl 30...just for being that kamikaze AA that won't be effective at living.

you get great AB and low end damage because everything is pierce resist.

spellcraft is considered towards the DC...

AA's have excellent saves. Especially if you build with monk levels. Skill set does suck though, but multiclass and you can mitigate that.

One shouldn't compare Assassin's to AA's though. Its silly. The AA death arrow doesn't get near the same DC's that the death attack does. Maybe someone has encountered a bugged death arrow with uber high DC, I never saw higher than 44 DC in the two times that I actually checked the combat log to see.

I still think it would make sense to make it abiltiy modifier dependent, BUT then some smart alec will take it beyond what it was meant to do and build an Arcane Archer with 50 intelligence purely to one shot one kill bosses for purely exploitive purposes. So yeah, good call on the configuration of death arrow DC's. Still think the deflection AC was over the top and unnecessary, Arcane Archers don't need AC to stand toe to toe with things, unless you want to build an AA that can't be bigbied. Then a non-monk AA will need that additional deflection AC.

so your telling me that a good boost to a pure dedicated class makes your assassin look so crappy its sad? with a 1/day ability and if thats all they build around then they are dog meat....bring 2 guys and have the second kill him

What he's trying to do is put things in a perspective that he understands on the debate about arcane archers. But as usual you've handled that with your usual tact and diplomatic brilliance.

[Amoenotep]

50 dc arrow is 30 lvls of AA only....its less than that when you hybrid out.

assassins can get that if they really try, not impossible.

[Bargeld]

Apples to apples... with what AB?

I don't know of any abilities that take more than 1 round to complete. If you got killed that way, then you shoulda been running for the last half of the first round and prepared after making some distance.

I gotta hide behind something and sneak my way there.

[Amoenotep]

it takes more than a single round...and you can close the distance on someone in a round.

the ab is nice but so is an assassins when you take into account they can sneak a flat footed char and negate a large amount of their ac...

is it really so different?

[Bargeld]

is it really so different?

That's my point, it isn't all that different. Except that one is an assassin and the other is an Arcane Archer.

I'll just throw another curve out there and say that I have tried to gain access to the wiki multiple times with an offer to update it with everything in the changelog. I don't think anyone, anywhere will ever be able to update the good, meaty portions of the wiki that need updating. And with the way the changelog is being (un)used, it's neigh impossible to build anything anymore...

Just nerf everything and hand me my +1 stick please.

[Alkapwn]

melee vs range is a big difference. You know how hard it is to sneak up on a horde of enemies just hoping none of them have spot or listen? I played assassins ALOT pre-wipe they just are so easily counteracted . They are awesome for hit and runs just not very applicable in our pvp enviroment

[Amoenotep]

i think your missing the "Arcane" part of it...its technically a class that can do nearly anything a mage can do but with a bow. on NWN its a class that shoots an arrow through your face and you die.....but only 1/day.

[Bargeld]

In your vision... to everyone else who comes by they are just a high ab slalom runner that can draw every enemy onscreen to them.

1x per day.

[Amoenotep]

they can't draw every enemy on screen to them...and if they, they will die i'd promise you.

[Bargeld]

Lol that's my point FIX THEM. But don't steal the ASSASSIN's thunder in the process.

Hmm maybe some RP will work... Basically Lolth is commanding me to say 'Back off, the poison that I give to my chosen ones is supreme death.'

[Bargeld]

hmmm maybe make the death arrow it a timer similar to the warrior tokens, rather than resetting on rest, there is a set duration 5 mins, 6 mins, 10 mins?

[Amoenotep]

so your just complaining because they kill ppl with an arrow? an ability they've always had since the game came out with AA's? an ability WE gave to assassins, but bioware just gave it to AA's?

what are you smoking?

[Alkapwn]

*puffpuff pass* the good stuff