Ranged melee/spears with shields.

[DragonLance]

Well not a bad solution - u still pay the price for getting your extra damage and not using a shield by getting hit more often but there is that small little incentive.

Basically we can all see that some wpns are used way more often then others and this is BORING - how about a DM or DEV chime in with what has or hasent been discussed regardig coding possibilities. As well as ideas you guys have thrown around to encourage a bit of wpn choice diversity.

I mean honestly and im not having a go here - but ppl really care about this issue and saying how about 2handers do twice the damage of one handers or a pole arm is X feet long and if im close enough etc is not solving the issue or even adressing it at all. We need to forget the REALISTICS side of it and solve the issue for diversity and playability reasons - really polearms are not a dungeon weapon theyre a formation weapon , like a greek Phalanx but - lets step back - can we get by with a solution thats not so realistic but sees more ppl using 2 handers, pole arms and spears etc and not the churn em out Rapier hammer builds ?

Seriously whats the ruling council have to say on this?

[Blystos Re]

Relax a little.

If you want to make a build that uses a longsword or a spear then do it; there's nothing stopping you other than it won't be the uber-pvp champ that a cheese-rapier build will be.

You want options? Take imp. expertise and 40 ranks in tumble, boost your stats with tomes, build a fighter/monk and get some good gear.

Learn to adapt, man. Seriously, despite what it looks like at times this isn't a place to cry until you get your way.

Without haks (which won't happen at this point in time) you won't get someone to carry a shield and a spear at the same time, and there are many, many more important things that the devs could spend their time on (like the shifter bugs, for instance). Tossing random AC at 2 handers isn't going to solve anything...come to think of it, what's to solve?

As far as the lack of lvl 40 weapons, there's a thread called "Artifact Suggestions", go take a look and make a suggestion there.

/rant.

*edit - I ran some numbers and, with 2 +4 tomes and some specific gear you can easily get your un-buffed AC up to 63 with a full-blood human. Your AB won't be great at that point, but that's at the highly defense-based end of things.

[REG RUB]

It all makes sense. Though I didn't mean all two-handed weapons, just the less used ones, like spears and halberds, I guess everyone agrees that the extra damage is enough. Huttah!

[DragonLance]

Blystos were u refering to me to relax ? i was never upset - isaid i wasnt having a go - just saying ppl post this kinda stuff to get a dev or DM to make a response thats relavent.

Also im not crying , simply stating - and yes ive run some numbers as well - without +4 books because i have never found 1 and the numbers arent good - i can get the ac to about where a guy with a shield is buy going earth Genasi AND rdd. Or maybe earht genasi and PM, thats another way.

Like the author of the original post said - this server is happy with churn em out same old same old wpns (note i aint refering to builds I.E. class) then thats fine. Also why do you confuse the issue by bringing in PvP - i have killed 3 ppl so far and i have 60+ lvls of toons - you want to test a 2hander take your longsword using Paly, Fighter, etc etc into ice efreet or giants and for a cpl rnds un equipe your shield - death awaits you.

[Blystos Re]

I mean honestly and im not having a go here - but ppl really care about this issue and saying how about 2handers do twice the damage of one handers or a pole arm is X feet long and if im close enough etc is not solving the issue or even adressing it at all. We need to forget the REALISTICS side of it and solve the issue for diversity and playability reasons - really polearms are not a dungeon weapon theyre a formation weapon , like a greek Phalanx but - lets step back - can we get by with a solution thats not so realistic but sees more ppl using 2 handers, pole arms and spears etc and not the churn em out Rapier hammer builds ?

Seriously whats the ruling council have to say on this?

Yeah, I think you should relax just a bit. What you're asking for above is for the devs to change the server despite there being no apparent problem. A character that is not built for use without a shield is going to have less AC than if he or she uses one. If you build your characters for use without a shield in the first place you'll see better results.

...and I think the ruling council has spoken to this with their silence.

Also im not crying , simply stating - and yes ive run some numbers as well - without +4 books because i have never found 1 and the numbers arent good - i can get the ac to about where a guy with a shield is buy going earth Genasi AND rdd. Or maybe earht genasi and PM, thats another way.

Like the author of the original post said - this server is happy with churn em out same old same old wpns (note i aint refering to builds I.E. class) then thats fine. Also why do you confuse the issue by bringing in PvP - i have killed 3 ppl so far and i have 60+ lvls of toons - you want to test a 2hander take your longsword using Paly, Fighter, etc etc into ice efreet or giants and for a cpl rnds un equipe your shield - death awaits you.

I know people who've focused in greatsword, whip, warhammer, kukri and battleaxe. If you're not seeing weapon diversity then you need to get out of your home faction more.

PvP isn't confusing the issue - that's why most people are focused in rapiers, because with Improved Critical and a keen rapier you crit on a roll of 12.

Taking a toon not suited for use with a two-handed weapon into efreets or ice giants proves nothing, and I really don't need to test a 2-hander because I play one. AC is admittedly not that great for a full-blood human scyther with full-plate, but I knew it wouldn't be when I started. I've built around that by going for DR feats and more hit points. Without a shield and the way he's built he's going to get hit. I planned for that.

I could have changed things up and made that characters ac higher, but I didn't want to because that's not what I was shooting for. (2 +4 books, btw, would only raise your ac by 4).

Try playing the game for a while and see how you enjoy it. There is a trade in damage for ac, and if you can't build for the weapon you want to use it shouldn't be the dev's fault for not making it easier.

Have fun, get out and experament.

[VagaStorm]

haha, what if 2 handed weapons did double the damage of 1 handers....talk about a hard decision between damage vs ac/shield

If you take out the bonus dmg that is added her, a 2 handed wep usualy dos double the dmg for a str based toon due to the 150% str dmg :p

As for the 60 lvls..... vv PWND vv