running on 4-5 shifter related crashes so far tonight so i figured this needs major addressing...
The popular Arena server, Bastions of War, has created some sort of fix for the shifter bug. there are many people there playing risen lord, rakasha, dragon, and kobold commando builds and normally there are a couple on at at a time. the server is purely PvP so their expectance to die and have a possibility to crash the server is high...but they do not.
Whilst playing, i have noticed that when a shifter "dies" he is unshifted in human form and normally it looks like he is badly wounded. However, the toon is still counted as dead. they cannot do anything when this occurs and the respawn script goes into effect.
thats pretty much all i know about it. i have not played a shifter there so do not have any 'inside' information, but i think there are a couple more things that need to be known about the server:
-raise/ressurect does not work and is disabled
-there is no 'respawn button'. there is a script that automatically respawns you in your respective town, either on the evil or good side, after waiting about 10 seconds of being dead.
thats about all i know but hopefully this can help spark some dev stroke of genious or something i dunno, or someone can go on the server themselves and check it out.
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Ragnareith
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I used to frequent Bastions of War a lot before I came to NS, and I agree, shifters were never a problem. I also seem to remember that on BoW, when you died while shapeshifted you were well and truly dead, with no positive hitpoint numbers.
Two perspectives for alternate evidence - I'm not sure of the exact cause of shifter crashes.
If the issue on NS lies in the manual resurrection of a player who is deemed dead - and is therefore a suitable target for any such spells - then the crash would occur in bringing back to life (ie. flagging them as alive, or some other such scripting function) a character who had hp and SHOULD have been alive, but was really dead.
If it's an issue with respawning once you die and have positive hitpoints, then manual resurrection alone is not the problem - it's evidently the fact that you have positive hitpoints once dead, and respawn after. BoW eliminated this problem, but I'm not sure how, as scripting really is not my forte.
A suggestion could be that once a shifter's hp while shifted hits zero, a scripted function takes place which deals massive damage (about 1000 to make sure they're dead) so that they still have negative hitpoints upon being shifted back to humanoid form.
Two perspectives for alternate evidence - I'm not sure of the exact cause of shifter crashes.
If the issue on NS lies in the manual resurrection of a player who is deemed dead - and is therefore a suitable target for any such spells - then the crash would occur in bringing back to life (ie. flagging them as alive, or some other such scripting function) a character who had hp and SHOULD have been alive, but was really dead.
If it's an issue with respawning once you die and have positive hitpoints, then manual resurrection alone is not the problem - it's evidently the fact that you have positive hitpoints once dead, and respawn after. BoW eliminated this problem, but I'm not sure how, as scripting really is not my forte.
A suggestion could be that once a shifter's hp while shifted hits zero, a scripted function takes place which deals massive damage (about 1000 to make sure they're dead) so that they still have negative hitpoints upon being shifted back to humanoid form.
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when I had my dragonshape before the wipe whenever I died shifted with thbis bug it was weird. I would be able to unshift as if I was still alive.thus bringing me back to human form. then whenever I got rezzed bya ally or respawned I would never crash.
shifters need to unshift before getting a rez.
just my 2 cents.
shifters need to unshift before getting a rez.
just my 2 cents.
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Is it possible to suppress character saving if a character is shifted? This is what causes the deshift and shift upon dying, because your character is saved when you start bleeding.
Alternatively disable the reshift after save. this will probably be a major pain for shifters as they'll have to spend a shift if they pick up an item or zone or pretty much anything else, but if it solves the crash problem it'd be worth it, and it'd eliminate the exploit where you drop an item to reapply temp HP.
Alternatively disable the reshift after save. this will probably be a major pain for shifters as they'll have to spend a shift if they pick up an item or zone or pretty much anything else, but if it solves the crash problem it'd be worth it, and it'd eliminate the exploit where you drop an item to reapply temp HP.
I've observed that, even before Flailer's change, sometimes the simple act of the Shifter dying would crash the server. IE, they didn't even have a chance to ressurect via the respawn button or a player bringing them back. Just being reduced below -10 HP would crash the server.
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Just to be clear, I'm trying to track down exactly where the crash is occuring. I tried reproducing the crash on my test server but was unable to (although I was just testing with a level 5 wildshaping druid in bear form).
Does the error occur when you're killed in wildshape and return to your normal form, but because the form you were in had less hit points than your normal form, you end up being dead AND having positive hit points?
And, if that's the case - at what point do you crash? When you attempt to respawn?
Does the error occur when you're killed in wildshape and return to your normal form, but because the form you were in had less hit points than your normal form, you end up being dead AND having positive hit points?
And, if that's the case - at what point do you crash? When you attempt to respawn?
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