Bigby's adjustment for Sorcs please.....

Zhorn · Post by **Zhorn** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:32 am

I've just realised that Bigbys cast by Sorcs wont ever be as good as Wizard Bigbys.

Well, at least the spells that use Spellcraft (INT based) to calculate parts of the DC wont be.

I dont suppose there is any chance of adjusting those spells to use the number of Caster levels instead? Or maybe something like Caster Level + 3. This would mean that a Bigby's thrown by a level 40 wiz would have the exact same DC as one thrown by a level 40 sorc (assuming they have the same feats, etc). It also means any multiclassing will weaken the bigbies DC's. Which isn't a bad thing

I guess the downside is that it means people reading out scrolls wont have spells as powerful as people who can actually cast them for real. Which may or may not be a good idea.

Post by **Mr. O'Dearly** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 4:08 am

This also wouldn't allow casters to equip spellcraft rings to boost their checks...

mgrjebbo · Post by **mgrjebbo** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:19 am

its suppose to be like that, sorc arent suppose to be as powerful a spellcaster as a wizard.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:13 am

sorc are naturally adept at casting spells...lots of spells really fast. a wiz devotes his time and energy to making his spells the most powerful in the land. thats why wizzy's get more power.

minielvis · Post by **minielvis** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 5:30 pm

I completely agree with DD1 on this topic. Wizards are supposed to have more powerful spells than sorc's, hence the bonus feats every 5 levels pre 20.

In my opinion, wizards have more powerful spells and sorc's have more spells per day. The problem I see is that sorc's do not get the spells per day that they should. Sorc's need more spells per day. Do that , and the sorc builders out there would be pleased , I am sure.

Cthulhu Drega · Post by **Cthulhu Drega** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:25 pm

you also have to factor in a sorc will have more spells per day then a wiz so the wiz needs a bit of a edge over a sorc

Post by **Sparky** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:58 pm

According to the DnD world, the only difference seperating a Wizard and Sorc are how they learn and apply their craft. A Wizard's craft is based on tedious study and raw intelligence. They must think ahead and give much thought to a day's spellchoices. A Sorcerer's craft has nothing to do with book-learning or study, they have the raw willpower needed to invoke their terrible arcane power. They do not have to think about their spells from a day to day basis and can unleash hell at a moments notice. On paper, the only real differences between the two consists of flexibility versus firepower.

Both have identical access to feats which determine their spell's "power", so the power of a either's spell would be identical given the same feat choices.

That said, we have of course made changes to spells and we of course also evaluate and re-evalute any spells we feel that are not consistent with the play experience we want to provide. In other words, changes are probably in order for some of the Bigsby's spells now that we have had a chance to observe the changes in action for a good amount of time.

Zhorn · Post by **Zhorn** » Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:00 pm

Thanks Sparky

I look forward to seeing what you guys come up with!

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:10 am

just disable all the bigby spells and bring back mass blind/deaf

Zhorn · Post by **Zhorn** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:49 am

screw that, I miss pwning people with DC100 web.

Now those were the days.....!

Elagneros · Post by **Elagneros** » Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:58 pm

Wizrds are always going to have a slight edge over sorcs here anyway because of scroll scribing. That always gives a wizard a slight advantage over a sorc.

Zhorn · Post by **Zhorn** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:19 am

Which particular advantage from scribing are you referring too?

At the moment caster battles are still coming down to whoever lands a bigbies first, which is pretty much how it was always decided.

Death Dealer1 · Post by **Death Dealer1** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 12:13 pm

i have killed mages after being hit by bigby first. just remember, there are tricks that not everyone realizes....which make them easy to kill even if you are in a bigby.

Core · Post by **Core** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:39 pm

Like what DD1.. logging out ? When you can't move, attack, cast, heal, potion up... what are you talking about?

Elagneros · Post by **Elagneros** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:07 pm

Zhorn wrote:Which particular advantage from scribing are you referring too?

At the moment caster battles are still coming down to whoever lands a bigbies first, which is pretty much how it was always decided.

Some of you people think everything is about pvp or something.

Scroll scribing gives wizards a slight edge because they can get more use out of their large spell repetoire. This lets them scribe scroll that may not be all the useful in combat, but are still good to have on occaision, like knock, find traps, etc.