Drow changes...

[Gornickthy]

i think ng needs to stay in nc otherwise they'd have no bards.

NC doesn't need bards. They have CoT's, and that should be enough. They are a land of law and order, and NG does not fit into their moto. NO NG or BARDS for NC!!!!

I think NC needs a wack with the nerf wand.

[Valhor]

This is getting ridiculous. If NC was so bloody powerful guys, then why don't we have the majority of the players? We aren't even a competitor in the relic event at the moment, there is a reason SL has relics a good 80% of the time, and NC never does. So the moment anything happens to poor other factions the first thing I read is, Nerf CoT! lol.. what a joke this is..

Not to mention this.. but how many players do you think NC gets off the chopping block? When I hit "p" and see all the Dislikes, and the 3 or 4 Likes I think it either tells me nobody wants to join a faction without a relic bonus all the time, or NC just isn't right for them.. with all our goody'ness going on. So I say go back to pestering for SL, and leave NC alone.. We don't get to have Improved Invisibilty anymore! You try running to HoD without any of that.. lol Or are you to busy with the SL having Evil drows? What are our options for builds? We got clerics.. yep see plenty of those.. No invis tho. We got bards, yea they're common for NC, being our only class with invis now lol. And then we got Paladins and Fighters and our prestige class. Go NC!

what a rant

[Gornickthy]

This is getting ridiculous. If NC was so bloody powerful guys, then why don't we have the majority of the players? We aren't even a competitor in the relic event at the moment, there is a reason SL has relics a good 80% of the time, and NC never does. So the moment anything happens to poor other factions the first thing I read is, Nerf CoT! lol.. what a joke this is..

Not to mention this.. but how many players do you think NC gets off the chopping block? When I hit "p" and see all the Dislikes, and the 3 or 4 Likes I think it either tells me nobody wants to join a faction without a relic bonus all the time, or NC just isn't right for them.. with all our goody'ness going on. So I say go back to pestering for SL, and leave NC alone.. We don't get to have Improved Invisibilty anymore! You try running to HoD without any of that.. lol Or are you to busy with the SL having Evil drows? What are our options for builds? We got clerics.. yep see plenty of those.. No invis tho. We got bards, yea they're common for NC, being our only class with invis now lol. And then we got Paladins and Fighters and our prestige class. Go NC!

what a rant

Ah see.. an argument by NC because they KNOW they need to have bards removed and the CoT nerfed down to the power of a Harper Scout.

All the dislikes on the player list are the CoT that went rogue just so they could solo all the major planes and still kill FoN.

[Tsavong]

I fail to see the point of this topic its a small change making SL Drow evil like all the other races in SL, my Drow in SL was evil already, yes you will get smitten now but you don't see many players smiting in pvp its mainly a pvm issue. And compared to MA you have a lot more chose in build as your allowed to use more bace classes than MA and NC for that matter.

[Gornickthy]

a small change making SL Drow evil

When did that happen? Was that the point of this thread? Oh.. who cares about that?

I just thought it was the thread for people to have a good opportunity to point out that NC needed some nerfs.

[--Ashe--]

I just thought it was the thread for people to have a good opportunity to point out that NC needed some nerfs.

Have you completely neglected to observe that we already are hindered in NC, just like every other faction in the realm?

We only have one arcane based class, bards, who may not be lawful aligned. Additionally, said class is also not primarily a caster class... revel in your evil wizards and sorcerers. Stripping Neutral Good would make NC no longer viable.

We no longer have access to improved invisibility through our clerics. We rely heavily upon our bards to aid us now, unless someone wants to try a duergar or svirf, which frankly don't fit into the build molds much. As Val has already pointed out, try taking a walk thru HoD without II and see how far in you get anymore.

We have no access to any sneak attack builds.

Take it in the teeth just like the rest of us have and just play on, or don't.

[Lokey]

I fail to see the point of this topic its a small change making SL Drow evil like all the other races in SL, my Drow in SL was evil already, yes you will get smitten now but you don't see many players smiting in pvp its mainly a pvm issue. And compared to MA you have a lot more chose in build as your allowed to use more bace classes than MA and NC for that matter.

You mean NPCs will smite you? Interested to know if you have some kind of strategy for a 3/day ability other than PvP (with feat)--I've tried to come up with one, but didn't seem decent except ocaasionally one-shotting good/evil PCs.

As Val has already pointed out, try taking a walk thru HoD without II and see how far in you get anymore.

Don't you just kick the door in with your 75ac 70ab 37+2d6 divine damage/swing with 8-10 swings/round CoT and lay waste like the rest of us? (Mind the vampire sorceress's, that death armor damage really adds up fast.)

[Tsavong]

I fail to see the point of this topic its a small change making SL Drow evil like all the other races in SL, my Drow in SL was evil already, yes you will get smitten now but you don't see many players smiting in pvp its mainly a pvm issue. And compared to MA you have a lot more chose in build as your allowed to use more bace classes than MA and NC for that matter.

You mean NPCs will smite you? Interested to know if you have some kind of strategy for a 3/day ability other than PvP (with feat)--I've tried to come up with one, but didn't seem decent except ocaasionally one-shotting good/evil PCs.

ummmmmm..... yeah NPCs will smite you.... for 2k damage

and i have no strategy i tryed a BG for smiteing once but it dident get to 40

[burrahobbit]

So once again, since you guys cant figure out how to beat a CoT (or any other class that beats you down) you want them nerfed. Instead of whining when you come to a road block, howabout you try to figure a way around it. You guys never heard of improved expertise?

[VagaStorm]

So once again, since you guys cant figure out how to beat a CoT (or any other class that beats you down) you want them nerfed. Instead of whining when you come to a road block, howabout you try to figure a way around it. You guys never heard of improved expertise?

Your not suposed to tell em THAT!!!!!!!

In al sereousness, to kill a cot, outlast him. When divine wrath wears out, he is done for... Like realy dont for! A dedikated cot looses most of his saves, ab and damageresistance after what 6-8 minuts max... If you can stay alive that long, viktory is asured more or less... That beeing said, I'm an inch from remaking the toon I used to kill cots with just to stop the constant cot whining

[disastro]

so... improved expertise yourself for 6-8 minutes, and hope that his 9 chances per round for a 20 dont wax you in that time (AND that imp expertise will even put your ac out of his reach!) Then hope that it doesnt occur to him to run until he can rest (narcolepsy.. its how you get perma divine wrath

(waitaminute.. did i just get tal-style-trolled? )

IHBT
IHL
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valhor is coming for me next!

[MLoki]

So once again, since you guys cant figure out how to beat a CoT (or any other class that beats you down) you want them nerfed. Instead of whining when you come to a road block, howabout you try to figure a way around it. You guys never heard of improved expertise?

Beating a CoT isn't a problem at all. The problem I have with the CoTs is watching them walk through the planar areas soloing planar bosses that other players need a server party just to get to.

[Alkapwn]

I agree with Mloki. Thats the whole reason Shifters/DragonDruids got the nerf awhile back is that they were soloing EVERYWHERE!
Its supposed to be about balance isnt it?
I'm used to my builds and factions getting nerfed . SL's power atm has nothing to do with our build sets it has to do with the players that play there . Eventually we'll get frustrated enough to leave or change faction. So it goes...

[Alkapwn]

Oh on btw!!!
This just destroyed 2 of my builds!!!!!!!!!!
one 29 one 35!!!
WTF!!!! I demand free Rebuilds!

[LinuxPup]

This should go without saying that making SL evil only is a *very* minor nerf... looking at most SL builds, they're already evil (even most Drow) in most cases, so it affects a small minority of people. I'm not happy about Drow being anything but evil for all factions, but we didn't change it at wipe time, so I don't see that being changed. I also wanted Duergar to be evil too, but then what does that leave good folks with? They only have Aasimar, while evil folks would have Drow, Tiefling, Githyanki, and Duergar... We can always add more good subraces, but we're not going to delete all the good drow paladin builds, and I'm hesitant of the idea of grandfathering them and disallowing future good/neutral Drow.

Balance isn't always easy, but we try our best.