Ranger and Summon creature IV

[Daltian]

Is there any way to make Summon Creature IV super cool if casted by ranger. But depending on ranger lvls so that you don't get it from 1 lvl of ranger. Would minimize the loss of animal companion, make people want to make lvl 40 pure ranger and it would be super, shiny, cool. Of course make lvl 40 summon awesome so that makes sense to play pure class.

Also make it cute and fuzzy if played by female ranger for bonus awesomeness!!

[mgrjebbo]

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[Fezz]

This point has been spoken about before. I like it but no one has ever bothered to do anything for rangers on this server that lost the animal companion, at least a druid can cast summon spells with a bit of bite to them. Alas for the poor ranger

[VagaStorm]

This point has been spoken about before. I like it but no one has ever bothered to do anything for rangers on this server that lost the animal companion, at least a druid can cast summon spells with a bit of bite to them. Alas for the poor ranger

From the change log:

-Rangers receive Exploration ability with 6 ranger levels: all outdoor wilderness areas become automatically explored.
-Rangers receive Nature Stride ability with 7 ranger levels: in outdoor wilderness areas, they receive a 20% passive bonus to movement.
-Rangers now receive Improved Evasion at 9 ranger levels.
-Rangers with 21+ ranger levels can now hide in plain sight in outdoor wilderness areas.

[Fezz]

lol we were speaking of summons, maybe i wasnt clear enough - no animal companion was supposed to be fixed eventually ??? the 4th lvl ranger summon spell need to be upped massively.

[cRaZy8or5e]

Rangers don't need a summon. They're one of the most powerful classes on the server already. IMO a more powerful summon would unbalance the class.

[Daltian]

Powerful only if multiclassed. Make ranger Summon Creature IV super strong only to pure ranger.

[VagaStorm]

This server used to be about the build. (hence the reason I HATE the entire concept of a pure class bonus).

[Daltian]

This server used to be about the build. (hence the reason I HATE the entire concept of a pure class bonus).

As I remember pure class bonus was one of primary ideas of this server. And you need to understand that some people like the concept of ranger and his animal companion. Beefing up Summon IV would make it possible for people to have opportunity to play char with that in mind. And after all, BG and PM got their summons made really strong while druid and ranger got nothing out of that deal. And if you talk about companions druid and ranger come in mind before BG and PM, at least in most lores except NS4 one it seams.

[VagaStorm]

This server used to be about the build. (hence the reason I HATE the entire concept of a pure class bonus).

As I remember pure class bonus was one of primary ideas of this server. And you need to understand that some people like the concept of ranger and his animal companion. Beefing up Summon IV would make it possible for people to have opportunity to play char with that in mind. And after all, BG and PM got their summons made really strong while druid and ranger got nothing out of that deal. And if you talk about companions druid and ranger come in mind before BG and PM, at least in most lores except NS4 one it seams.

lol, that is a god point

[Blystos Re]

Might I remind you that those ranger bonuses aren't pure class bonuses.



Also, Greater Magic Fang works on animals dominated with Animal Empathy. Ancient Dire Bears are your friend.

I've made a pure ranger and it was soloing amazons at 23. Don't tell me they need more juice.

[Daltian]

Might I remind you that those ranger bonuses aren't pure class bonuses.



Also, Greater Magic Fang works on animals dominated with Animal Empathy. Ancient Dire Bears are your friend.

I've made a pure ranger and it was soloing amazons at 23. Don't tell me they need more juice.

They might be able to solo amazons at 23, but is that really a benchmark of power? There are a lot of classes that are awesome at lvl 23 but become really bad later on.

[Alkapwn]

I've built a couple rangers and they pure and multi'd . Even before the bonuses to the class were implemented and they really are a strong class. Self buffing, large bonuses to hs,ms,spot,listen , excellent epic feats what more could you want? Admitedly not the greatest saves but a deadly none the less.

....if only SL could have dark rangers.... Ranger/assassins would be a feared build for sure

[Carnaugh]

Daltian is really correct. In the base NWN game Rangers get an Animal Companion basically as powerful as a Druids and an Arcane Familiar. Well they were all removed the summons spells were improved based on various criteria. At least a Druid can cast Summon 9. It would be logical if Rangers got a bonus to their Summon 4 spell based on Ranger levels only to bring it into line with what Druids/Wizards/Sorcs get. That should be beside any possible Ranger Pure Class bonuses (if one of the Ranger pure class bonuses gave an additional bonus to or "Epic" summons that might be fitting). Rangers are really one of the weakest classes in 3E/NWN (not like their glory days in 1E and 2E!) and it is a bit odd that Paladins, Barbarians and Fighters have pure class bonuses ahead of them.

[Korr]

One of the weakest in 3E?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!!?

Youve never seen s good PnP 3E ranger... if youre lucky you survive the bow blasts from YARDS AND YARDS AND YARDS away. Then you come face to face with flashing blades thrown in a fury unlike any other seen. . . thats all without any specific spells, companion, or summons in play.