bard song question

Aarkon Draco · Post by **Aarkon Draco** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:30 am

on the table of the improved bardsong the buff song bonuses only go to lvl 30 is there more to it or is it capped at 30? i ask this because the curse song has increases all the way to 40th level. just seems odd that the buffs stop at 30 but the penaltys go to 40

also is there a pure class bonus to the song or bard spells like pure mages get?

disastro · Post by **disastro** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:56 pm

as far as i know there is no pure class bonus for neither bards nor mages.

the only semi bonus that pure mages get is a partially team-friendly time stop at level 40.

Post by **LinuxPup** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 3:09 pm

Bards rule as it is... they (along with Clerics) should be last on this list of classes to get pure bonuses.

MasterYoda · Post by **MasterYoda** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:25 am

LinuxPup wrote:Bards rule as it is... they (along with Clerics) should be last on this list of classes to get pure bonuses.

Quoted for truth.

Also from my understanding the "pure" bard bonous would be the uber debuffing with the level 40 bard song .... possibly the best debuff in the game.

gives more incentive to go full bard rather than just taking a few levels.

Aarkon Draco · Post by **Aarkon Draco** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:51 am

im well aware that bards are nasty i just found it odd that the buff song stops at 30th but the curse song goes to 40th

Post by **Sparky** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:34 pm

The buff stops at 30 because the bonus it imparts is powerful enough as is.
I can only guess that Curse Song extends out to 40 while mirroring level 30 Bard Song because debuffs are given a heavier weight then buffs when determining such things.

Post by **LinuxPup** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 7:40 pm

I'm curious how the duration is calculated... does it scale up with bard levels? It's definitely not lasting 100 rounds with Lasting Inspiration.

Post by **Sparky** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 8:39 pm

My guess is that the bonus from Lasting Inspiration was cut in half.

Celorn · Post by **Celorn** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:48 pm

yeah, the duration definately WAS shortened since pre-wipe... before the wipe i could buff in NS, hit song then run to the Menzo temple get back to crossroads before it wore off, now it wares off upon reaching the temple.

But still, all my bards since the wipe have never run out of songs yet, bards still rule (except if they get slammed by rapidfire damage) especially if they're crit/sneak/stun/paralyze immune ;P

-BannyD- · Post by **-BannyD-** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:59 pm

Sparky wrote:My guess is that the bonus from Lasting Inspiration was cut in half.

ive tested it on my bard and this is exactly what it is

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:13 pm

Just a quick question...why was Lasting Inspiration halved?
It was not noted in the change log.

Aarkon Draco · Post by **Aarkon Draco** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:45 pm

ya something like that deserves a notation IMO i was not planning on taking lingering song because last insp was long enough.

Post by **Sparky** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:32 pm

My guess is whatever Dev made the changed decided 5 minutes per song with the epic feat was plenty of duration, and they went ahead and made the change of their own volition.

Them not noting the change is unfortunate, as it has happened before. But, the duration of the song is still quite hefty. If one of our illustrious Wiki editors has it in them, they can feel free to post the change to the Wiki when they have time.

Lorkar1 · Post by **Lorkar1** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:55 pm

I cant really recall a major issue with Lasting Inspiration that has arisen in the past year and 3/4's.
So I find it difficult to believe someone would arbitrarily make the change without there being an issue at hand.
Its not like LI does anything on its own. So it cant be a balance issue.
It doesn't add AB, AC, HP, Stat bonuses, Speed, extra attacks, extra spells or spell slots, nor does it grant extra feats.
It can be dispelled. The curse song can be done away with by a lesser restore potion. Is this an issue that can be revisited and possibly polled among the playerbase.

Post by **LinuxPup** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:14 am

I've never had bard song dispelled. As for the duration... yeah I'm not sure why its only 50 rounds. It's been like that for a looong time.