confused about auto still on pale master

disastro · Post by **disastro** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:43 pm

can you qualify for auto still with 12 wiz levels/11 pm levels?
i.e.:

at character level 36 i take 11th pale master level (regular feat level), with 12 wizard levels already under my belt. I will be able to cast 9th lvel spells, and will be epic pale master. can i take auto still at this level?

the neverwinter grimoire says :

"Prerequisite: Spellcraft 27, 21st level, cast 9th level spells, Still Spell"

all of which i should have by then. but i recall something about needing 15 pm levels to get certain epic feats, anybody have any experience with this?

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 4:58 pm

just try it in single player

go into the console and give yourself 1... MILLION!!! xp

then level up and find out.

Findor · Post by **Findor** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:07 pm

all of which i should have by then. but i recall something about needing 15 pm levels to get certain epic feats, anybody have any experience with this?

That is a fact. I don't know about Auto Still, only that you can use Metamagic feats for the extra PM spells slots you will be getting.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:24 pm

i think the 15 lvls pm is for being able to get epic spells

Post by **Binkyuk** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:11 pm

Yup. you need 15 PM levels, then you can get auto-still and auto-quick.
There are some other nasty feat gotchas with PMs, i *strongly* suggest you do it in a test mod first.

disastro · Post by **disastro** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:20 pm

i actually went through the build on a local single player game as jester suggested, and i was able to take auto still with on my 11th pm level (making sure i had enough spellcraft and was able to cast 9th level spells).

thx for the suggestion, it exposed a few other minor issues with the build (like, PMs can not take any spell focus feats, it doesn't show up on the list even on general feat levels.)

Interestingly enough, the wizard pre-20 bonus feat list (the one-every-five-level feats) taken after *character* level 20 additionally include Great Intelligence. i.e. take wizard level 10 at character level 22 and great int shows up on the list.

Post by **Binkyuk** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 1:45 pm

Yeah spell focus is the main one, quicken i think is another you can't take on PM levels. If you're doing the 30 PM levels build it can be impossible to recover if you don't pick the right feats pre-20.