Stuck in Black Hills. Makesafe disabled, why?

[Adventurer#1337]

why did you disable makesafe in black hills??? There are a lot of hills without ramp. It can happen to any player to fall from dragon in one of those, and there is no way to get out by yourself.

[Amoenotep]

lol..with a relic too

[mining]

Because if I provide a "feature" which allows you to save time / get out of dodgy situations, and people start using it to take shortcuts, I start removing maps that it can be used on.

This is not open for discussion, and it is not acceptable to use something put in solely for minimizing the effects of bugs to take shortcuts.

[Amoenotep]

lol..looks like his entry point was on top of that hill0.

[Alkapwn]

yep thats happened to me on 3 occasions in the very same spot. twice with a relic lol i'm glad im not the only one with the worst luck ever

[Lokey]

I don't know if I made it better or worse when I split those two maps into four way back when. I always get horribly lost.

[Adventurer#1337]

This is not open for discussion, and it is not acceptable to use something put in solely for minimizing the effects of bugs to take shortcuts.

My my, lucky we have you saying what's acceptable and what's not. Didn't mean to touch a nerve.

yep thats happened to me on 3 occasions in the very same spot. twice with a relic lol i'm glad im not the only one with the worst luck ever

But still looks like people get stuck in there more than I thought.

[mining]

This is not open for discussion, and it is not acceptable to use something put in solely for minimizing the effects of bugs to take shortcuts.

My my, lucky we have you saying what's acceptable and what's not. Didn't mean to touch a nerve.

Apologies for it not being clear that using a command (that's designed so that if DMs aren't around you can possibly fix yourself up if you're bugged) for taking shortcuts on certain maps (i.e. sunken, Black Hills) isn't acceptable. For the record:

Using shout for spamming advertisements is not acceptable
Spamming DM channel with advertisements is not acceptable
Attempting to DDOS the server isn't acceptable

Any other really basic things I need to spell out?

Oh, yeah - its not acceptable to go to someone's house and rearrange all their furniture. Sorry I didn't spell that one out for you.

yep thats happened to me on 3 occasions in the very same spot. twice with a relic lol i'm glad im not the only one with the worst luck ever

But still looks like people get stuck in there more than I thought.

Issue from before I implemented makesafe that would be nice to fix. With makesafe. But, because people were abusing makesafe and relics, its now disabled. Such a shame that the few need to ruin it for the many.

[DM_Sultan]

My my, lucky we have you saying what's acceptable and what's not. Didn't mean to touch a nerve.

Well Mining isn't the only one saying it. It is NOT open for discussion. Players abused the makesafe in this area and others and as a result it was disabled. It was discussed amongst Devs and DMs. We didn't ask for opinions on this one because the abuse had to be stopped and it was. If you are caught in a non-makesafe area, you'll have to wait for a DM to help you out. End of explination - not open for discussion.

Sultan

[mgrjebbo]

Awesome. Dm/dev smackdown!

Take that, Oh and you'll like it.

[Alkapwn]

or range all the enemies ,recall on a corner and have a 75% chance of throwing the relic off the ledge and a 25% of bugging it . But what do I know.

[weasel423]

How about making it so you don't get dropped by dragons on maps that have makesafe disabled?

[DM_Sultan]

The answers from staff wouldn't be so blunt if some of the comments weren't so disrespectful in tone.

A couple of the suggestions for improvement presented here are actually helpful, but wading through the bad tone makes it more difficult.

Just FYI, any time a person cops an disrespectful attitude towards a Dev or a DM on these boards, they can expect no support from the staff. We try very hard to be fair in decisions and in server changes. Mining takes that to the extreme. After getting AO jobs in and the other fixes he has done and continues to do, he warrants all our respect. He has mine.

A condescending attitude toward a member of staff is never going to get a positive response.

Suggestions to fix this condition are always welcome and a lot easier to take if they are made respectfully. Thanks for bringing this condition to our attention and thanks to those who offered constructive fixes for it.

Good Hunting and have fun!

Sultan

[mining]

How about making it so you don't get dropped by dragons on maps that have makesafe disabled?

This isn't a bad idea, or possibly I can reenable makesafe if you get dropped by a dragon for said map. As per always, potential for abuse - risk v reward here?

[frogofpeace]

No makesafe = timeout so we can think about what we've done.

Thanks, devs and DM's for keeping the server from slipping into a chaos of murder and mayhem. Oh, wait - thanks devs and DMs for keeping the server in chaos where we can murder and mayhem.