Barbarian Nerf

[Alkapwn]

Just wondering..........

[Rufio]

Barbarians got nerfed because pure classes are stupid.

Nah, really though, I thought they were fine. They were the only build on the server that could resist divine damage though.

[Shamedmonkey]

I thought it was pretty stupid myself. Didn't understand the point of it. Sure, it takes forever to kill a barb, but isn't that the point of being a barb?

[Alkapwn]

Take into account that
dragons get 25%
DWD 30%
and some shifters 50$

i guess linuxpup though 15% was just way too much lol

[Daral0085]

Take into account that
dragons get 25%
DWD 30%
and some shifters 50$

i guess linuxpup though 15% was just way too much lol

Shifters also get 50% vulnerabilities, DWDs don't get rage, dragons... are pretty cool.

Edit: ... but yeah, I mostly agree. While I don't spend that much time in pvp, I can't recall seeing any barbs that seemed unbalanced. Meh.

[BlkMamba]

Barbs were fine, plenty of things could kill my barb
still dont understand why mess with that, not like they were broke

[Amoenotep]

how much damage are we talking in a 5% spread? 1-20 points?

[LinuxPup]

Bonuses pure barbarians get:

-20% movement rate increase
-50 temp HP
-Bloody roar ability (very nice)
-1d6 magical damage
-Regeneration +15
-Extra attack
-Immunity to physical damage +5%
-AC bonus and no AC penalty from raging
-Bonus to DEX while raging +2
-Bonus to AB +2

So yeah I nerfed them, but they're hardly worthless... they get a decent bag of goodies and that's not including the normal perks of being a barbarian (lots of HP, damage reduction, uncanny dodge, terrifying rage, etc). I had no idea they had immunity to magical, divine, positive, and negative... ha!

[Thorac27]

HHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH WTF ? This is the STUPIDEST nerf in the many years i have been playing.

Hey devs wake up time to nerf shifters and rdd's and why your at it nerf the SCYTHE or at least bring other 2 handed weapons up to par.

OH AND DID I SAY HOW TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR THE NERF WAS..............

[Amoenotep]

again...are we really getting upset about 1-20 points of damage immunity? seriously? wear better gear..it has 25% ?

[BlkMamba]

think his point is, that there were bigger fish to fry
Barbs werent broke to start with, and one of the bread and butter
that SL, RK and AO had to work with for raiding toons
TC could actually use them, but heh, why when you can get better DR
AB and AC just handed to ya, but again, thats a different topic

[Daral0085]

Not sure how *anyone* can say that RK "needs" barbs for DR compared to TC when RK gets the epic DR class to rule them all. Damage output is another question, but for pure DR, a barb/DwD is the best in the game.

Edit: Oh yeah, and RDD dragons get 25% DI to everything. To me that's definitely comparable, if not better, than barb DR. Dragons also get comparable if not better HP.

[mining]

think his point is, that there were bigger fish to fry
Barbs werent broke to start with, and one of the bread and butter
that SL, RK and AO had to work with for raiding toons
TC could actually use them, but heh, why when you can get better DR
AB and AC just handed to ya, but again, thats a different topic

Actually, we have quite a number of barbarians, notably Mixtli and a handful of pre-40s being worked on now.
We actually only have... 2? Construct Shapers.
Maybe we make better shifters than barbs, but its not like we don't make both.

Oh, and daral, please stop saying "RDD DR+HP is awesome" 'cos thats druid dragons too :p

[diddy33]

Bonuses pure barbarians get:

-20% movement rate increase
-50 temp HP
-Bloody roar ability (very nice)
-1d6 magical damage
-Regeneration +15
-Extra attack
-Immunity to physical damage +5%
-AC bonus and no AC penalty from raging
-Bonus to DEX while raging +2
-Bonus to AB +2

So yeah I nerfed them, but they're hardly worthless... they get a decent bag of goodies and that's not including the normal perks of being a barbarian (lots of HP, damage reduction, uncanny dodge, terrifying rage, etc). I had no idea they had immunity to magical, divine, positive, and negative... ha!

you put it that way, and i want to build one lol. don't actually have one atm, always thought of building them but hated the ac/ab

[frogofpeace]

A little perspective, folks - Lokey explained when he was working on shifters that they were complicated and took a lot of work ('Hours and hours', I think he said, his free time, BTW), and if he changed one thing there were a lot of unintended consequences. Linux had his reasons for tweaking barbs, which you may or may not agree with, but I imagine he did it now because it was relatively straightforward to do. There's always something that seems overpowered.

Also, the alternative could be Jekyll coming back and disarming us all