Problem with PM AC

[LinuxPup]

So is this TD match happening? If so, when?

[Lokey]

I can think of a pure fighter that'd beat a dex PM, but it'd be really tedious to play. You could build the PM to counter that, and probably should anyway. Damn, I promised myself I wouldn't make another PM

Assuming Bolg isn't standing around (loses dex and dodge, kd is full ac - 4) and Killswitch has at least 20 less ab than Bolg's ac (high 80s now before expertise? Pure fighter is 30 base + 20 enhance + 4 feat + stat, so that has a shot)...

dex whatever/30 PM AC: 10 base, 4 tumble, 8 class, 5 def, 5 dodge, 5 nat, 6 armor, 2 armor skin, 5 EMA (dodge). 47 + dex (say 16) + up to 9 shield is 72. Blinding is 2 more, then expertise. If it's 74 v a 40 str pure fighter which would be ab 69:

swing 1: hits on 5 (15/20 chance of hit)
swing 2: hits on 10 (10/20)
swing 3: hits on 15 (5/20)
swing 4: hits on 20 (1/20)

Don't remember if pure fighter can get another swing somehow. That would be max ab. Since Bolg is unique with epic dodge, one swing is ignored and that's huge.

75% of the time first swing hits. Then KS needs 10/20 + 5/20 + 1/20, meaning one hit 80% of the time, 2 hits ~15% of the time and three hits less than 1% of the time that the first swing connects. But finding some more dex on Bolg or less to hit stat on killswitch moves those % pretty fast into recover lost hit points from regen territory, at least for Bolg with his cheesy Epic Dodging. Of course we all know how streaky the dice rolls are in nwn, and this isn't taking into account miss-chance which is also huge.

Math is an approximation, it's not hideously out there, but don't go to Vegas on those numbers outside of craps (that's easy to do stats on).

[neil420]

the real prob for blog is i killed him prenurf with no prob not sure how haveing less ac is going to help. not real sure on a time date thing you are haveing prob's so when it best for you

[Tru3Fals3]

I can think of a pure fighter that'd beat a dex PM, but it'd be really tedious to play. You could build the PM to counter that, and probably should anyway. Damn, I promised myself I wouldn't make another PM

Assuming Bolg isn't standing around (loses dex and dodge, kd is full ac - 4) and Killswitch has at least 20 less ab than Bolg's ac (high 80s now before expertise? Pure fighter is 30 base + 20 enhance + 4 feat + stat, so that has a shot)...

dex whatever/30 PM AC: 10 base, 4 tumble, 8 class, 5 def, 5 dodge, 5 nat, 6 armor, 2 armor skin, 5 EMA (dodge). 47 + dex (say 16) + up to 9 shield is 72. Blinding is 2 more, then expertise. If it's 74 v a 40 str pure fighter which would be ab 69:

swing 1: hits on 5 (15/20 chance of hit)
swing 2: hits on 10 (10/20)
swing 3: hits on 15 (5/20)
swing 4: hits on 20 (1/20)

Don't remember if pure fighter can get another swing somehow. That would be max ab. Since Bolg is unique with epic dodge, one swing is ignored and that's huge.

75% of the time first swing hits. Then KS needs 10/20 + 5/20 + 1/20, meaning one hit 80% of the time, 2 hits ~15% of the time and three hits less than 1% of the time that the first swing connects. But finding some more dex on Bolg or less to hit stat on killswitch moves those % pretty fast into recover lost hit points from regen territory, at least for Bolg with his cheesy Epic Dodging. Of course we all know how streaky the dice rolls are in nwn, and this isn't taking into account miss-chance which is also huge.

Math is an approximation, it's not hideously out there, but don't go to Vegas on those numbers outside of craps (that's easy to do stats on).

pure fighters get a 5th attack at full bab, bolg has 2 more dodge ac which was required to cheese up his epic dodge when he won the tourney.

[Shhhhhhh]

did he get epic dodge by some divine help?

[Korr]

did he get epic dodge by some divine help?

Bolg won the thuderdome tournament. As part of his price he received epic dodge as a feat.

[Lokey]

Yeah, he doesn't have the other pre-reqs (more tumble, def roll, imp evade).

I'm not looking up the job tokens, MA v. RK...someone else do the math.

[Tal]

Yeah, he doesn't have the other pre-reqs (more tumble, def roll, imp evade).

I'm not looking up the job tokens, MA v. RK...someone else do the math.

No one wants to see the math and figures... we all just want to see the TD match happen.

If it goes down can we get screen shots or a video of it?

[dethonlegs]

I'm nervous about this. Bolg wins - PMs are still too awesome and get further nerfs. I suppose on the flip side should Killswitch win, mayhaps PMs will get their AC back.

Dev's keep saying PM's remain a viable build after the nurfs, but i've not seen summon builds being used for much of anything since then. Call it what you want, but if players cant be bothered with it then that says more to me than anything else.

[weasel423]

We should just rename this thread to "Bolg"

[Amoenotep]

RDD dragons are the suck and can't do anything anymore after the last nerf....i still see them around

[Daral0085]

RDD dragons are the suck and can't do anything anymore after the last nerf....i still see them around

I guess that means they need to be nerfed again.

[dethonlegs]

RDD dragons are the suck and can't do anything anymore after the last nerf....i still see them around

I know your saying this in jest, but if RDD dragons are useless and people still play them, then no-one playing summon PM's would make them less than useless!

[Amoenotep]

what about CoT's? no one plays them much after those round of nerfs...even though they are still powerhouse's

[burrahobbit]

I can run over to super porc's house and get on if the thunderdome will let me in, not sure about how the security works or if i will need to change his product id to match mine, i'm sure some one out there knows this.

This isnt going to be a deal the validates or invalidates the pm nerfs. Its going to be interesting either way for me. I've gotten about all the fun out of bolg i am going to get, and after all the trash i talk i spose its possible that i am do for some humble pie. I think bolg's got one last trick up his boned sleave, time will tell...

Wanna shoot for like the 20th or the 21'st, might give me time to get my comp fixed or at least set up a time that i can get over the super's house and get the TD security stuff fixed. We should check about how to film it, might be kinda fun if one of the DM's could post it.