A few shifter questions

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Re: A few shifter questions

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Ryddwillow wrote:
You quite simply aren't. 95% of the server isn't as good as Cluckster, and guess what Willow, you're in the 95%.
I tend to say what is on my mind BTW. Really? LoL. You played a dwarf rogue forever and a some FON toons. So now you can judge me on my toons that I have built and exiperienced? What a joke this actuation is, you need to do some serious research next time.


I never claimed to be a English major and if you decide to criticize me then go for it, I have other things on my agenda to accomplish. :lol:
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I think you just said that someone who plays in 1 faction can never judge the effectiveness of other builds. Wow. Delusional.
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Re: A few shifter questions

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Daral0085 wrote:Thanks, guess that means no evasion, 40 tumble, and 5 attacks per round for me... *tear*
5 attacks per round I believe is possible if the shape is unarmed. For example elemental shapes are unarmed until druid lvl 21 (I believe just druid lvl). 30 RDD dragons with sufficient monk levels in the other 10 levels that are not dedicated to RDD also receive the unarmed attack bonus from the monk class.

Most shapes have a weapon built into the shape after the changes. Off the top of my head without looking at change log (page 16) wyrmling, non-epic elementals and dragons are all unarmed.

With that said, I do not believe the monk damage awarded with monk level progression carries forward. I believe wyrmling and non-epic elemental shapes are lacking in damage.

I have not made a shifter with monk levels, nor remember what damage looked like for non-epic elementals on my druid/monk prior to passing level 21. Basically, the above is mostly theory not practice.
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Re: A few shifter questions

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shifter/monks in shifted shape that are unarmed....use monk ab/attack progression
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Re: A few shifter questions

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mining wrote:
Ryddwillow wrote:
You quite simply aren't. 95% of the server isn't as good as Cluckster, and guess what Willow, you're in the 95%.
I tend to say what is on my mind BTW. Really? LoL. You played a dwarf rogue forever and a some FON toons. So now you can judge me on my toons that I have built and exiperienced? What a joke this actuation is, you need to do some serious research next time.


I never claimed to be a English major and if you decide to criticize me then go for it, I have other things on my agenda to accomplish. :lol:
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I think you just said that someone who plays in 1 faction can never judge the effectiveness of other builds. Wow. Delusional.
I think he just said that I have no idea how to build because I haven't been here as long as him.
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Re: A few shifter questions

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When you actually make a shifter and take it somewhere compared to a pure bard, DnD, COT, pure pally, pure barb, Cleric {mixed class too) by yourself. I have seen it done by myself and others in party mode and they can do most of a High lvl plane by them self. A pure druid dragon can not do this because it would be "Bait". Meaning it would die quickly. Pure mages suck vs high epics, same as fighters until they get the knockdown token. Rogues and sd's or both take forever and always need some help like mages. I am talking about being safe and not chugging 100 pots and say to me, "hey I can do it", ya what ever. Monks, depends on how it is built. AA's are decent but again it needs to be built right to survive. PM's no more good ac, gave up playing this class, lowered ac need to get rid of fire and divine decrease. The build isnt that great. Rangers always need some love, I like the new changes in NWN2, but NWN2 is not that great. The game experience for me that is.

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Re: A few shifter questions

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Ryddwillow wrote:When you actually make a shifter and take it somewhere compared to a pure bard, DnD, COT, pure pally, pure barb, Cleric {mixed class too) by yourself. I have seen it done by myself and others in party mode and they can do most of a High lvl plane by them self. A pure druid dragon can not do this because it would be "Bait". Meaning it would die quickly. Pure mages suck vs high epics, same as fighters until they get the knockdown token. Rogues and sd's or both take forever and always need some help like mages. I am talking about being safe and not chugging 100 pots and say to me, "hey I can do it", ya what ever. Monks, depends on how it is built. AA's are decent but again it needs to be built right to survive. PM's no more good ac, gave up playing this class, lowered ac need to get rid of fire and divine decrease. The build isnt that great. Rangers always need some love, I like the new changes in NWN2, but NWN2 is not that great. The game experience for me that is.
RDD's have not made one yet, couldn't tell cause the RDD's showed their worth pking noobs in front of avendell. Only a few toons in which I wont try to do it, doesn't mean other ppl will not try to get quick lvls.

A nice build was a lvl 30bard/10pm or a lvl 40 bard, a lvl 6 mage/4fighter/30pm, they WERE good and once built when the "Master's" were here and now they say you can not build them. Or the lvl 40 druid dragon that could stand toe to toe vs PM, gone, where did the balance go? wait we nerfed it all, we keep nerfing and nerfing until nothing is left but sticks, maybe you can find a plus 2 stick.

Wait that will be nerfed too, cause the ppl that cant carry a toon want to be recognized and soon plus 2 sticks we all will be carrying. Plus 0 for me cause i will still beat your dumb arse toon.



I think you just said that someone who plays in 1 faction can never judge the effectiveness of other builds. Wow. Delusional.
Really? I need to respond to this?

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Re: A few shifter questions

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Ryddwillow wrote:
Ryddwillow wrote:When you actually make a shifter and take it somewhere compared to a pure bard, DnD, COT, pure pally, pure barb, Cleric {mixed class too) by yourself. I have seen it done by myself and others in party mode and they can do most of a High lvl plane by them self. A pure druid dragon can not do this because it would be "Bait". Meaning it would die quickly. Pure mages suck vs high epics, same as fighters until they get the knockdown token. Rogues and sd's or both take forever and always need some help like mages. I am talking about being safe and not chugging 100 pots and say to me, "hey I can do it", ya what ever. Monks, depends on how it is built. AA's are decent but again it needs to be built right to survive. PM's no more good ac, gave up playing this class, lowered ac need to get rid of fire and divine decrease. The build isnt that great. Rangers always need some love, I like the new changes in NWN2, but NWN2 is not that great. The game experience for me that is.
RDD's have not made one yet, couldn't tell cause the RDD's showed their worth pking noobs in front of avendell. Only a few toons in which I wont try to do it, doesn't mean other ppl will not try to get quick lvls.

A nice build was a lvl 30bard/10pm or a lvl 40 bard, a lvl 6 mage/4fighter/30pm, they WERE good and once built when the "Master's" were here and now they say you can not build them. Or the lvl 40 druid dragon that could stand toe to toe vs PM, gone, where did the balance go? wait we nerfed it all, we keep nerfing and nerfing until nothing is left but sticks, maybe you can find a plus 2 stick.

Wait that will be nerfed too, cause the ppl that cant carry a toon want to be recognized and soon plus 2 sticks we all will be carrying. Plus 0 for me cause i will still beat your dumb arse toon.



I think you just said that someone who plays in 1 faction can never judge the effectiveness of other builds. Wow. Delusional.
Really? I need to respond to this?
You've never met Sebastian or Taski, have you? Or how about Cyberdyne systems? Willow, just do yourself a favor. Stop posting. Forever. Just stop coming on the internet, please.
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Re: A few shifter questions

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hear hear. I second the motion. Do the votes have it??? ;)
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Re: A few shifter questions

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While I don't mind Willow posting it might be really beneficial if he did stop. Only ignore script that I have in place for him probably takes as much processor time as entire NS4 server.
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Re: A few shifter questions

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I can't ever read Ryddwillow's posts because of his Avatar. It pulls my eyes away from the text. Hey, is this a trick? Oh wait, what happened to the kitten?

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Re: A few shifter questions

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You don't want to know ...
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Re: A few shifter questions

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NNNOOOooo, not the kitten......
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Re: A few shifter questions

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He went to live on a farm.

WTH, this thread is totally off subject, so a true story - when I was 3 or 5 or something like that, my dad bought me a guinea pig named Peter. It was pretty cool, I guess, and I remember building mazes with blocks for it to run through, but I guess my folks weren't rodent people. So a coupel of months (or weeks, or days, who knows how a toddler perceives time), I come home from somewhere, looking for Peter, and my dad tells me, "Oh, he's not here anymore, we took him to the vet, and decided we would take him to live on a farm where he'd be really happy." So I'm a happy little kid, thinking about my guinea pig running around on the farm.

Cue 30 years later. I'm sitting in a bar, talking to people about childhood pets, and I start talking about my first pet, Peter, the guinea pig, when it occurs to me - waitaminute, guinea pigs don't live on farms ... NOOOOO!!!!

Two conclusions from that:

1. The kitten didn't really go to live on a farm, Torm. (there, I saved you some therapy bills)

2. Don't take guniea pig shape.

See that? Back on topic! :D
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Re: A few shifter questions

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frogofpeace wrote:2. Don't take guniea pig shape.
Unless you need to infiltrate a house of 4 year olds.
Bargeld wrote:Overall, I think most would agree that a pure rogue is probably the worst build on the server.

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Re: A few shifter questions

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mining wrote:
frogofpeace wrote:2. Don't take guniea pig shape.
Unless you need to infiltrate a house of 4 year olds.
my sister when she was about 4 grabbed my guinea pig and chucked it up, the landing was a perfect 10 for a diver, diving on ceramic tile... you get the result...
no farm either
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