kain124 wrote:LinuxPup wrote:Why don't you ask mgrjebbo or umpa?

Cause the word above my pic says noob and I don't know whom you are referring to.

He's hinting at PMs if you didn't already figure that out...
The new nerfs will help a bit (thou i'd switch fire vuln. to bludge or positive), designing builds to combat them a bit better, but they still have a long list of immunities...
-)Critical Hits (including Monk's quivering palm)
-)Sneak Attacks (so much for Rogues and BGs)
-)Death Attacks
-)Stun (ie: Monk's Stunning Fist, SD's stun, shifter forms abilities, any magical stun)
-)Paralysis (ie: Druid's Stone Hold, Assassin's Stun, Fear)
-)+6 Natural AC bonus (ie: freeing up their amulet slot for swapping)
-)*Curse song (ie: if the PM has bard levels and is cursing too)
-)*-10 to all fire dmg (ie: which can be done for 'free' if the PM takes 13th lvl and epic energy resist: fire)
-)*Magic (ie: casting, potting or scrolling a mantle)
also:
-)Can have taunt (ie: if bard-based)
-)Scrolls, arcane crafted items (ie: any scroll in the game if bard (UMD) based)
-)HP increases
-)Castable access to both Improved Invis. and Haste/Exp.Retreat
-)can be combined with bard (unlike ns3.5)
-)can be taken after lvl 20 (unlike ns3.5, ie: doesn't effect BAB)
-)can be earth gen. (ie: think 2 epic wardings!)
-)can be almost any race (ie: including +SR races)
and after lvl15, access to:
-)Epic Mage Armor
-)Epic Warding
Etc...
But still, I don't want to see PMs nerfed anymore, I'd rather see other classes get some more love to bring them up in power instead.
ie: Give rangers favored enemy: Undead an extra bonus vs. pms
ie: Give the ability to craft spell mantle potions
ie: Give druids, mages, etc.. a spell (ie: a currently useless one) temporary AC increase and immunity to crits and sneaks (ie: See NWN2)
Anyhow, hopefully NS5 will be it, I can't wait to make, for example: an LA Monk/Druid with immunity to crits(Oaken resistance) and knockdown(foundation of stone), 200% speed(storm avatar), casting while shifted(natrual spell) into an elemental form, and an epic pet with Nature's Avatar boosting it (OR shapechanged w/wildshape and self-casting Avatar)