Earth Guardian... +20 Enhancement?

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:37 pm

+20 Enhancement on a CR33?
Or has Epic Warding been nerfed now too?

Which is it?

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Core · Post by **Core** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:01 pm

This happend to me as well, I think somethings wrong with warding or it's a bug. I just got into a fight where warding was working the first couple hits, and then all of a sudden it went from haveing 1200 points remaining and absorbing the 50 to allowing all damage thru, and nothing of points remaining to speak of.

Kind of annoying when your a pure caster and depend on warding to last more then 2-3 hits. I don't know what causes it, but it's already happend to me as well. When it happend to me though it was a PvP situation against a certain palemaster. Definatly not a pure fighter so no +20 weapon. I dunno what causes it but warding seems broke

Post by **Yonwe** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:18 pm

Earth Guardians actually do have a +20 enhancement on their claws; I didn't help design them, but a logical explanation I can come up with now is that "a giant rock hitting you on the head hurts you all the time."

In a more practical light, we've got to put very high bonuses on creature weapons to make them easier to fight, ironically. Without a wielded weapon, the only other practical ways to increase their AB to an appropriate level is to raise their strength, which hurts you more, or their dexterity, which makes them impossible to hit.

Post by **Metis** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:56 pm

Just a little correction their claws are +20ab and +5 enchanted, warding has not been changed.

Since reflections went down prime has a lot more people I have seen a couple odd things happen due to the lag and all I can say its probably just that.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:02 am

+20 is a little much, especially considering that +20 allows it to skip Epic Warding.

Any chance of changing it?
+19 attack bonus with an extra 2 str? (heck could make it an extra 6 or 8 str as long as it is below +20)

Post by **Metis** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 12:55 am

Ab bonus does not affect bypassing shields enchantment so his +5 is all that counts for getting past DR spells not the +20

Post by **Binkyuk** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:09 am

are you sure about that?
http://www.nwnwiki.org/Damage_Reduction_%28effect%29

The Attack Bonus property on a weapon will work as well as Enhancement Bonus for purposes of bypassing damage reduction - i.e. a weapon with a +5 Attack Bonus will bypass 20/+5 damage reduction.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:35 am

Metis wrote:Ab bonus does not affect bypassing shields enchantment so his +5 is all that counts for getting past DR spells not the +20

No, that's not correct.

Though, I actually forgot about a bug.

+20/XX reduction is bypassed by +19 and +20 weapons for some reason.
Forget why.

+AB and +Enhancement both penetrate Damage Reduction.

So, basically drop the Earth Guardian to +18AB and give an extra +4STR.

Celorn · Post by **Celorn** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:39 pm

why not just kill the guardians faster than they can finish casting? that way you never have to worry about fisticuffs ;]

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:33 pm

Thats not possible for every party, because they have huge DR and hp. They're the hardest thigns to kill (exception being the boss of course) in the entire plane.

Post by **Binkyuk** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:58 am

All I hear is 'waah waah waah my build isn't good enough'. I can kill them with my cleric that's 15 levels higher than them so there's obviously no problem!

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:10 am

It's not so much the difficulty of the Earth Guardian, it's the principle that they are skipping Epic Warding and shouldn't be.

Celorn wrote:why not just kill the guardians faster than they can finish casting? that way you never have to worry about fisticuffs ;]

The odd time they will stop casting early and KD-bolt you (auto-kd is gay) then start beating on your ground kissing butt.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:19 pm

Binkyuk wrote:All I hear is 'waah waah waah my build isn't good enough'. I can kill them with my cleric that's 15 levels higher than them so there's obviously no problem!

I can't tell wether that was sarcasm, idiocy, both, or none.

Yes, Jester's right. They have a KD bolt attack similar to that of the Undead Sentinels in HoD. They start beating on you after they're done with spells and the like, and one of them is the KD bolt. Its knocked down my 84 disc. dwarf and not so high disc. cleric. If I remember it goes off of Dex AC + Dodge AC, or something along those lines. It lasts for a while, so it makes the problem of beating them down sooner that much more difficult.

CrazyJ · Post by **CrazyJ** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:52 pm

Ranged touch attacks should not be used by any enemy unless some player class also has access to something similar. Right now they're an unbalanced "I win" type attack.

And yes, I have seen Pygmy Cookers (CR 3) knock down EPIC characters!

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:32 pm

An Undead Sentinel knocked down our pure monk at level 39, I'm pretty sure balance concerning NPCs is out of the picture. The only balance is to make the gear + CR vs. difficulty balance out.