Class movement speed, haste, and blinding speed

[Bargeld]

Seems that a lot of people have done thier own tests with this at some point or another (myself included), and I wanted a confirmation/clarification of how movement speed was calculated.

From my experience, I have found the following:

Base speed starts @ 100
(to avoid confusion, we will not use percentages... this should be an arbitrary 'unit')

Class bonus is added to base speed:
barbarian(+10) = 110
monk(+10@lvl3 +10/3lvls) = 110 to 230

Haste and blinding speed are equivilent in terms of movement bonus. All records indicate 50% increase to speed. I believe this percentage is applied after the class bonus is applied. In testing, a barbarian with 110 base speed + 50 haste was faster than a monk with a 160 without haste. This means that the actual values are calculated as follows:

100 base + 10 barb = 110
110 + 55 = 165 (because haste 50% of 110 = 55)
barb total speed = 165
monk speed = 160

This added bonus stacks completely for monks up until lvl 15. At lvl 15, a monk recieves a total class base speed of 140. Compare speed with haste at levels 14 and 15:

lvl14 speed = 100 + 30 (monk class) = 130
130 + 65 = 195 (because haste 50% of 130 = 65)
total speed with haste = 195, which is less than the 'hasted' cap of 200.

lvl15 speed = 100 + 40 (monk class) = 140
140 + 70 = 210 (because haste 50% of 140 = 70)
total speed with haste = 200, the calculated value should be 210, but the cap of 200 is applied in this case

So from levels 15-30, the monk WILL receive a speed bonus from haste/BS, but the top speed will always be the same, 200.

At level 30, the monk has reached a natural 200 movement speed and receives no movement speed bonus from haste/BS at all.

The fastest PC speed is 230, attainable only by a pure monk @ 40.

DM speed is faster than 230.

Sidenotes:
When sneaking or detecting (non-elf) with 200 speed, your movement speed is halved, resulting in a full walk speed of 100... the same as your average, non-hasted, lvl1 eric the cleric.

With a 200 unhasted, monk movement speed, being encumbered is slower than sneaking. Using gloves of differening str bonuses, I discovered that you go moderately slower while encumbered than you do while sneaking. As a byproduct, if you are encumbered, you can now sneak without any movement penalty. The larger penalty (encumbrance) is applied.

Hopefully we are all already aware of the other bonuses and diferences that haste and blinding speed offer, these do not apply to the topic of speed. To avoid confusion, please refrain from pointing out these addidtional differences and bonuses. kthnxbai

Are these sound calculations?

[Aarkon Draco]

one correction monk max speed is attained at lvl 39 not 40

[Celorn]

i hate math.

On ns4 it seems barbarian speed was nerfed to '100' not 10% boosted which sux and I would like to see the 10% brought back! (and don't try to sell me on pure barb).

I haven't explored the speed comparisons in depth, but you do seem to be fairly accurate, i'm pretty sure they've slowed monks down quite a bit from the bioware original, even on ns4 years ago monks moved a lot faster.

[Fatzo]

aye i miss the old monks ... especially when the LA token used to stack with monk speed....

all id do is grab a relic ; click the token ; yell WEEEEE ! and i could run circles around anyone !1!!!!1!!!

it was alot of fun.... but aye properly nerfed since they were litereally uncatchable and my monk at the time was only lvl 27

[Daedalus]

Monks movement speed increase changes as lvl increases at lvl 15 and 18 it only increase by 5% so at lvl 18 you only have 150% speed. That is what the manual says at least and i know we all trust the manual :p

[Bargeld]

Thank you for resurrecting this, as I had forgotten it wasn't truly confirmed. Yes, manual states 5%, NWNwiki and NSwiki both use the formula that I presented originally. Other input has stated that monk speed has been nerfed vs. those numbers.

Can I get a final word by DM/dev regarding the monk movement formula?

[Aarkon Draco]

AFAIK the 5% at 18 is wrong its 10% like all other speed increases.

lvl speed increase
3 110% total
6 120%
9 130%
12 140%
15 150% (equivalent to perminate haste)
18 160%
21 170%
24 180%
27 190%
30 200%
33 210%
36 220%
39 230% ( max monk speed )

from what i can tell in game this seems accurate and unaltered.

[Fatzo]

^ makes perfect sense.


the game maunal ? worthless on most accounts except for single player..and who still plays single player

alot of the skills ; spells ; speeds; etc....have been customized over the years...weather they be a nerf or an improvement from the original bioware code is your opinion but it is what our devs have decided to use as our 'balance' in NS4

*cough* threeroundtimestopbrokenpallies3xadaykdtokensnerfedclericswhathappenedtoharperscoutswhinemorefatzoshhhhquietyou!

[ashsagoon]

I would also like to note that the LA Messenger Job token which, when you master it, is supposed to give 50% movement speed increase twice per day, does not do so. In tests I've found that haste (which is 50% as well) is about 15-20% faster than the token (running two equal toons side by side, one with haste, one with token).

The job guy tells you in game that it is 50%. Either that should be changed or it's not working right if anyone could look into this

[Ajantis.]

*Play's tiny violin as he reflects upon the nerfing of the NC job token*

[LinuxPup]

NC's speed token gives a divine damage shield, divine damage on weapon, and a 20% speed increase, LA's only gives speed.

[-BannyD-]

with AO's token you can schedule a lingering fart every RL hour that also happens to kill rodents....so hah

[Ajantis.]

NC's speed token gives a divine damage shield, divine damage on weapon, and a 20% speed increase*, LA's ONLY gives 50% speed.

* Except for monks

[LinuxPup]

Yeah... it was bug fix, not a nerf... the other factions get the same treatment. Technically MA's 20% speed token doesn't have this fix, but then they have no monks so its not an issue. LA used to run around with stupid monk speed, and now they don't either.

[Chernobyl_Glow]

Lol. Reading Banny's post. Now a whole bunch of us can smell your lingering farts. AO jobs? heh.

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