Logging out during PVP to relog higher level character

[CountryFriedSteak]

Are we allowed to logout during PVP and log back in a higher level character to attack with?

[Nefarious]

During relic raids and you are the one defending.

[CountryFriedSteak]

It was on giant mountain.
i was about to PK an enemy lowbie, and they logged out, and logged in their imploder.

I then logged my other character that can survive implosion and PKed his lowbie that he originaly logged out. He called it a venge kill, and told me hunting lowbies is illegal, (no more then 20 seconds after a PM from a DM telling me it was legal)

Screenshots are available

[Trogdorbob]

And people say that rule lawyers arent wanted. Hmmm prime example of one turning a blind eye to their own actions to blame another.

[Gornickthy]

And people say that rule lawyers arent wanted. Hmmm prime example of one turning a blind eye to their own actions to blame another.

You are right.. we see that quite often.

[CountryFriedSteak]

well i figured since he's getting off on a technicality that i didnt actualy finish PKing him and therefore it is still OK to relog his high level, i would go ahead and log my other character and PK the one who DIDNT PK me.

Anyways, i do remember very clearly that logging out during combat was punished, but apparently its not a clear rule, and not posted. I would think it goes without saying that this is the exact same thing as if he had waited the 2 more seconds required for me to kill him and then logging his other character.

I simply got my other character, and finished PKing the person i set out to kill before he logged out. He's breaking the rules in order to prevent death, so i grabbed a toon that his imploder couldnt touch and finished the job, leaving his imploader alone.

I'm no rules lawyer. the reason i post this is because i'm always accused of breaking the rules and threatened with being banned (and then nothing is ever done because i dont actualy break the rules) Yet this person continualy trys to get off on technicalities like this "i wasent dead yet" buisness. And runs around making up his own rules and threatening to have me banned for breaking them.

I think this is an important rule that needs to be clarified. If people are allowed to relog their bigger characters BEFORE they die, then i think it needs to be stated so. I dont belive this is nit-picking rules-lawyer crap. I always belived this was punishable, and im not posting in order to have the player banned.

[Sparky]

Well, if no offensive actions had been taken by either side, its more akin to a Cold War weapons race than any sort of rules violations.

But, once the fur starts flying, logging out or running away can be construed as being defeated, and therefore logging a higher level character to kill the victor could be considered revenge logging.

We would really need itemized list of all the actions involved to get really rules lawyery about it. That's said, the above statements should serve as a reasonable general guideline.

[$chase$]

IF you attack or kill a player and they felog a different toon and come after you THAT IS RELOGGING...

if you come up and dont get a chance to attack or kill you must attack a player for it to be reloggin.

[Alkapwn]

I' had a similar problem and was found I was at fault (although i still don't quite understand why?) quite awhile ago.
- Here's me leveling up Giant mountain all by my lonesome -
- Come across party of nasty pc's and so duck back for maybe 3rds then start in on them and -poof- one of them logs b4 i can even get one hit in. Keeping my eye on the Playerlist and familiar with this players toons notice he logged his epic toon - I finish off the rest of the party and log my Epic toon figuring I wasnt going to be left alone to level after decimating their party- I run up teh Mtn and low and behold there's the EpicToon that was logged. He cries 'Venge' I get DMtell and then very quickly get bounced off the mtn with XP/GP penalty (and I didnt even touch anyone). . I didn't feel like cryin about it cause I was more then likely gonna get spanked by said toon anyway but the penalty was a little harsh.
It's a fine line. IMO I wasn't at fault and just responding in turn to what seem'd to me a fair fight and the logger if anyone was venging.
I think when all said and done. Logging in any event besides maybe to aid a fallen party or to level elsewhere is pretty underhanded. Not alot of players I know of do otherwise unless its Relic related.
It's in poor practice and definitely skirting one of our major Commandments.

[Aarkon Draco]

and people wonder why i dont like PvP

[Binkyuk]

well i figured since he's getting off on a technicality that i didnt actualy finish PKing him and therefore it is still OK to relog his high level

Actually there's precedent for this that was decided with SD fights where no one won. You're not allowed to relog if you're *defeated*. A kill isn't necessary.

Disclaimer: I'm not a DM and therefore nothing I say with regard to pvp rules is official and probably isn't even correct or sensible.

[$chase$]

if a player breaks a rule SS IT and send it in

[AllAmerican]

I would have killed you, as well as the imploder if they were headed up the moutain, and made sure there was a respawn penalty.

Best thing is to wait about 20-30 mins before logging on another character if you have been attacked, or risk the chance of being screen shotted for venge logging. Because you will not like the outcome if you are caught.

[Queltor]

Relogging / 'venge logging just strikes me as childish. There are no penalties for PvP deaths, so what are you taking revenge for? Time lost to run back to where you were?

[de_slider]

#1. Unfortunately the PvP rules only cover one on one situations. Therefore rules covering Alkapwn instance are unclear. He was legal as far as the party members who did not log are concerned. Logging out and getting his higher level before the one who logged in their higher level was probably legal, but you have to understand that a DM on the scene can only go by what they see in game and by their log screen. SO it appeared as if Alkapwn veng logged.

The only way to avoid a DM action in that situation is to tale a bunch of SS of your own log screen to back yourself and send it to the DM who took action.

#2. Lots or players will skirt around the PvP rules. One situation I had pleasure to witness was when a low level pc pk'd another. The one that got pk'd call for guild help then logged out and logged back with a buffer (casting) pc. He then hooked up in party and buffed a couple of his guild lowbie mates and sent them loose on the pk'er.

When adressed they were on the firm opinion that by relogging on a higher PC, not taking any direct action against the pk'er was completely legal. That buffing his own lower leveled guild mates was ok. Non of them could not get it into their mind that logging out after getting pk'd and logging in another PC to take any action against the one that PK'd them (directly or indirectly) was illegal.

#3. One DM said it best. That to log out after getting attacked and logging back with either a higher or lower level PC to attack the attacker was/is "revenge logging". PERIOD. That would encompass logging in a buffer to buff your guild mates to seek revenge, even though the logged in buffer takes no direct action.

Maybe the DM's should have a discussion amongst themselves to cover this aspect and expand the singular PvP rules to include that "anyone in a party within the same zone as a PvP attack takes place is forbidden to log on a higher or lower PC to aid directly or indirectly with combat." With the only exception being defending from Relic Raids or attacks in their faction's city.

DM Chase also said it best:

if a player breaks a rule SS IT and send it in

Maybe add to that in that if you "think".... send in a SS and get a rulling. I know the DM's are very willing to let you know if a rule was broken or not.