Grievance

[ATI]

Here it is, I'm finally fed up with this, as are many of the players I've talked to, so Im Issuing a Formal Grievance against the Okies.

On Monday Evening at approximately 5:45pm Mountain time, an Okie Clansman (herein Okie) named Okie Reagan, who seemed like a caster class, appeared before my party including the following participants: ATI(Me), Banquo HoC (Gai Daikoji), and LoneWolf (Milkyl). After Reagan had been told to stop both in talk and in shout, he proceeded to have his summon, of greater power, kill Banquo and LoneWolf. When LoneWolf and Banquo HoC were dead, their inventories were gone, and they were both thoroughly upset.

Causes of Action:

1: Killing a member of NeverSummer4 that is lower than 5 levels than the level of the aggressor.

2. Killing a member of Neversummer4 with a summon, which is a known bug in the server.

3. Wrongful loss of inventory

4. Wrongful death

5. Promotion of an atmosphere of terror

6. Residing outside server transition areas preventing access from Avendell to Server 3 Beta(herein beta3)

7. Bug exploitation through aforementioned summon bug.
Restitution and damages:

I, ATI have the following statement.
The Okies have continually broken the rules set forth by the developers. The developers and the DM's know about the Okies breaking the rules and give them special privilege concerning matters of grievance. There have been numerous complaints, on the Neversummer 3 forums, on the Neversummer 4 forums that inculcate the Okie's and their myriad members in crimes that the DM's would regularly persue with more action in a regular case.

Therefore, I ask that something be done by the Developers, DMs, and any other valid authority of Neversummer4 to mete out justice in this matter.

Ramifications:

As more and more players are finding themselves forlorn due to the actions of the Okie clan, I suggest that something be done quickly in order to rectify this situation. As DeputyDog (herein) DD has said on these forums,
"The rules are simple, dont abuse people. If you are lvl 18 and they show up as effortless then tell them to bugger off, dont kill them.
The only other rule is no fighting."

DD, the creator of this game has set forth the most generic of all player versus player rules, don't kill those that are effortless. Either something should be done, or effectively the developers are acknowledging that the rules don't equally apply to all members of this game.

Something must be done to tell players that the rules apply equally to all members. If the developers allow players to pick and choose which rules apply to them, then there is a standard of unfair treatment, one that is the very core of prejudicial treatment. The Rule of Law must apply to all equally.

I've filed my grievance in a legal manner, Game on.

[Gai Daikoji]

Well ATI its good to see that you are ready for law school.

I agree with most of what has been said, While i am usually okie neutral, not caring whether or not they exist, or caring whether or not they kill me, i fail to understand how stealing my entire inventory is legal. Im fine with it being gone, just want to know why its fair?

Bioware set up pick pocket to randomly steal items, because a rouge cant exactly take everything off a player, but the game schematics on robbing a corpse should be different than robbing their entire inventory.
Say in a battle you use a bludgeoning weapon, therefore some of the potions should be destroyed, and thus inaccessible to the player. A slashing weapon could produce the same results with things like healing kit, wherever the longsword hit to kill the player could cut up the bandages.

Im not trying to hate on anybody, just wondering why.

EDIT: Wow, i should read up on the specs more. Either way, loosing the inventory to a summons is weaker than loosing it just on face to a player. Is there any way that this bug can be fixed?

[ATI]

To clarify to Gai, They didn't steal a thing. Its a bug. If a summoned character hits your character and you respawn, you lose all your inventory. Although there are ways to negate this, this isn't the point. Reagan killed two people with a summoned character, consequentially they both lost their inventories. One person, its a mistake, two people, its intentional.

[Æ]

I don't want to flame all the okies, because Notty's one now and i consider her a friend, and Mushroom and Sativa and Rubbs have been cool to me.

Reagan, who i think is the former King Okie Bush of NS3, and Okie Christ, with his personal vendetta against the FotS guild, are another matter, and maybe others have been a problem.

The problem is that okie 4.0 is now obsolete... The okies served an intentional purpose in NS3 of doing mild griefing and introducing an element of chaos to a mostly non-PvP environment, serving as DM supported PC-PvP-NPC's (or something)... In NS4 this is not needed, there is plenty of PvP, plenty of people annoying eachother, plenty of bullying, and plenty of chaos.

Your job is done okies, you're just a guild now, just play the game and stop harrassing people...

[Gil-Este]

Thank you ATI, glad someone did that. I complained about them in NS3 to the south DMs and got nowhere, dropped it cuz NS4 came out but I would like to see same actual enforcing of the rules from the devs. Basically the Okies seem to assume the devs lack the intelligence that god granted pistacios. I have not had personal encounters with all of them, but the major griefers and rule breakers are ToxicOkie and Panaslave. They broke the rules on south repeatedly, and it sounds like they are at it again on NS4. If they want to play as a normal guild, thats fine, but if they want to be jerks they should go do it somewhere else.

[JesterOI]

Dude, the devs ARE the okies!!!

They invented the okies so they could vent on us players (the ones that cause them so much grief with our bitching) their grief from us bitching at them!!!

[ATI]

This is a serious post, I want members of the Okie clan, devs and serious discussion brought to light on these forums.

I acknowledge that not all members of the Okie clan are the source of the problem. However, something must be done, and I want discussion regarding what should be done.

More importantly I want to know why the rules don't equally apply in NS4.

As a famous lawyer said to me, "Things will all be found out in discovery." So speak up Okies, and tell us why you deserve to break the rules. Let the people, developers, and DMs decide what to do with you.


As I said Toxic, Game On

[Æ]

They're not the Dev's they're just a guild set up by them

And I don't harrass the DM's, I'm a nice person, unlike most players, and have respect for the DM's as long as they respect me, unlike most players...

I deal with each person as an individual and judge them based on their behavior and how they treat others, regardless of what title/position they have, who they are or who they think they are, or how much power they have in any particular situation..... and react appropriately

[ATI]

Well, I'm glad to see that the developers are sponsoring people that exploit bugs in the game. It's also pretty comforting to see that the devs setup a system in which the rules can't be equally applied. Thanks, but no thanks. There are rules, we all abide by them, its what makes games work. Are we willing to say its okay for me to start swearing rampantly on the server's shout channel? No? How about if I decided to just start killing every new person I met, regardless of faction. Think the dev's would let me slide on that offense? I think not. Why? Because, when I play this game, a contract is inherently made that assumes I will abide by the rules setforth. I don't see a clause that declares all members of the Okie clan are not subject to the same Rule of Law as every other player. Because no such agreement exists, they must subject to the Rule of Law.

Therefore the crux of my argument, if the devs/dm's are willing to allow Okies to break rules, then why can't we all break the rules? The reasons why I can't break the rules should be the same reasons the Okies can't break the rules.

There is no need, no cause, and no purpose to the Okies senseless attacks on the NS4 beta servers. I think the population of Neversummer4 is upset. You can explain to my friends Gai Daikoji and Milkyl why they have to be subject to a system that favors the few over the many. And when we look back at the NS4 rules we have to say "IT ENDS NOW" Balls in your court.
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[mumoogaipan]

I have been a victim of the okies before. But i have a couple of things to say. 1) i am not an okie advocate or and okie hater. I think they add an interesting level to the pvp world of NS4. Mainly because the okies can be killed by all of the factions with no consequence. Remember the okies may be annoying but they also receive a lot of grief from the players as well and they dont complain one bit. Also, this is a game where it is supposed to be pvp, meaning that the okies are at an inherent disadvantage becaus they are at war with all of the tribes. Try to imagine the world from their perspective.

About the bug issue of getting items lost. That kind of sucks. But, as in real life, nothing is 100% safe. Just going out and adventuring is tough to deal with in NS4. I would suggest that even though ATI, Milkyl, and Gai Daikoji are my friends, that they learn to run a bit faster. I know that is harsh but that is the way the NS4 world is setup.

I dont think that posts like this help out the cause. Everyone knows that the okies are a universal clan that you can try to kill with no penalties. Thus, you shouldn't be upset when they have the right to attack every clan without repercussions. Furthermore, if everyone is going to complain about the okies who do they get to complain to? the answer is that they cant complain. When they die they have to suck it up and try to get better. I think in that respect everyone should try to be like an okie and not be so upset when you die. People should get used to dying in NS4 and use it as an experience to become a better character.

Those are my two cents.

[KillingSheep]

You guys just dont know how to deal with Clan Okie, when I come across them I do the dance of joy - everyone has a good laugh and moves on.

Now dance b*tchs!.

[XxDkCobraxX]

How about if I decided to just start killing every new person I met, regardless of faction

then you would eventually break away and be a faction of one. no repercussions, no nothing. its part of the game, if you cant take it then run away when you see them coming

[ATI]

Great arguments. I go through the detail of explaining my argument and the best the opponents can say, If I may sumarize, is propounded into two beautifully elaborated parcels of knowledge

Dance Bitches

I'd think the maturity regarding this post could be higher, but alas, I guess not.

and Dk I think you missed the point of my statement. What if you can't run? What if the Okies are sapping the fun out of this game. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying, people are messaging me telling me Okies are terrible, they need to be removed, and are asking for bans. You're ignoring a larger problem, and rather than deal with it your analysis boils down to running away. That doesn't solve the problem Dk, there are those that can't run. The downtrodden, the weak, and the destitute (yeah its a foundation on which this country was made). All of which, deserve to play this game without harassment should they choose.

Mumoo you provide a situation akin to Social Darwinism, the weak get culled and those who are able to adapt survive. But how do you adapt if an Okie is sitting outside your port of entrance (Cite Cause of Action Number 6). Its easy to say, "live and learn, its a game, things aren't safe in real life" as if they are platitudes. You're right life isn't safe, we should live and learn, and it is just a game. But that doesn't mean we should exclude Neversummer4 from the higher ideals that we invisioned it would bring to the computer gaming world. Why can't the server be more safe? Why can't I play in peace without harassment from other players? Why do other players feel it is their privilege to make my gaming experience worse? Why?

Next time you try to post, I need something more than Dance Bitches. I've given you respect enough to elegantly and professionaly write this, give me some respect and put your educational writing classes to good use. That and I don't understand why swearing and one line responses effectively answer the question.

If you want to prove me wrong, provide reasons why people like Okies should exist in this game. And please....No more one liners, this is a discussion about a big problem that many people are having. Give them the respect they deserve by answering in a cogent and analytical style. If you can't, don't post.

[KillingSheep]

Dance Bitches

I'd think the maturity regarding this post could be higher, but alas, I guess not.

Oh yes, I'm going to sit back and get into an intellectual debate over aspects of a COMPUTER GAME. Never mind the worlds political, social and economic troubles as I must converse on a high spiritual plane with some guy on the net over Clan Okie.

You sir have defeated my will to live.

[JesterOI]

But how do you adapt if an Okie is sitting outside your port of entrance

Die?

haha!

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