New Dispell DC

-Chronepsis- · Post by **-Chronepsis-** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:39 pm

I just wanna know why dc for dispell went up? I would also like some feedback on this because with the cap raised from 20 - 25 I think is goin a bit far. With everything thrown in a right build, a caster can disspell a lvl 40 pure caster. So at this point its usless to even make one, well for some maybe. I thought it was good enough the way it was because u need at least 35 caster lvls to be immune to dispell which makes a caster type go more caster lvls, so that takes the cheese builds outa play more. I would just like more feedback here before I add more to this, is all.

Post by **Binkyuk** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:46 pm

Clerics, Bards and Druids having the ability to strip a whopping 5% of your buffs per action makes a build 'pointless'? that seems a bit harsh.

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:01 pm

Ok, i'll rephrase without double posting here...

I was thinking about the whole DC situation while playing NWN2 in the NS4 Prime "downtime". Based on the 20 level cap situation, nothing is even remotely near being immune to dispells.

In this situation, a pair of, say, cleric (or bard or mage) dispeller and fighter would be able to strip and own a pair of buffed casters, thus taking much of the "uber" away from those "frontline" cleric types.

Previously in NS4, however, the abilities of a frontline cleric, being almost immune to greater dispell, was enough of a reason for Fatzo to make (and play) 2 identical clerics of this type.

Raising the dispell DC allows for the balance to return, making casters powerful if dispells are not present, but vulnerable if they are present. As well, Fricebottle hit it right on, in that pure casters almost have no worry with this.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:14 pm

Wait, where is your argument? Its cap was raised from 20 to 25, yeah? And? It was previously impossible to strip anything with Greater Dispelling, not even my pure level 40 cleric could dispel anything. Now the non-arcane builds who only have access to Greater Dispelling have a reason to go Abjuration.

-Chronepsis- · Post by **-Chronepsis-** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:15 pm

wasnt referring to my cleric build actually, and if the right caster went up against em, would actually smoke em. I can make a build without the new dispell in place and smoke the cleric build ur talkin bout. Plus all I was asking for was feedback is all, not talkin bout certain bulds either. I know what build ur talkin bout anyway, its my bro's

reaper? rightt? Like I said there are builds that can beat em, but u just need to know how. Bet I can.

-Chronepsis- · Post by **-Chronepsis-** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:34 pm

actually guys, forget I even brought this up ok. I'm just gonna play the game and have fun

. Cya in the game.

Post by **TheBestDeception** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:37 pm

Is the lag gone on prime?

watchwood · Post by **watchwood** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:48 pm

Hold on, I'll check.

Post by **Amoenotep** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 8:41 pm

the cap on greater dispel was raised so that casters who dedicated in abjuration and lots of caster lvls could have a chance at dispeling those super cheese lvl 25-30 caster lvl builds.

the way it is now you can only dispel a pure casters buffs if you roll a 20 to dispel and have epic focus in abjuration. opposed to not even being able to have a chance at dispeling them.

Post by **LinuxPup** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:08 pm

I'm not against increasing a caster's ability to dispel other casters, but I think the bonus should be in the focus feats, not the caster level. Even if a caster has taken no abjuration focus feats, his ability to dispel has been greatly improved.

IMO it should go back to 20 max, and they should raise the dispel modifier by 3 or 4 for each abjuration focus feat instead of just 2. This way there's more reason to pick spell focus abjuration.

P. Fricebottle · Post by **P. Fricebottle** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:17 pm

LinuxPup wrote:I'm not against increasing a caster's ability to dispel other casters, but I think the bonus should be in the focus feats, not the caster level. Even if a caster has taken no abjuration focus feats, his ability to dispel has been greatly improved.

IMO it should go back to 20 max, and they should raise the dispel modifier by 3 or 4 for each abjuration focus feat instead of just 2. This way there's more reason to pick spell focus abjuration.

Poor logic. It just means less of a reason to pick abjuration. Especially for non-arcane schools. If anything, raising the cap is an incentitive to pick Abjuration. Hell, I've said it before, my pure level 40 cleric (pre-change) had never dispelled anybody before. Ever.

kingfatzo · Post by **kingfatzo** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:58 pm

P. Fricebottle wrote:Wait, where is your argument? Its cap was raised from 20 to 25, yeah? And? It was previously impossible to strip anything with Greater Dispelling, not even my pure level 40 cleric could dispel anything. Now the non-arcane builds who only have access to Greater Dispelling have a reason to go Abjuration.

well put

-Chronepsis- wrote:actually guys, forget I even brought this up ok. I'm just gonna play the game and have fun . Cya in the game.

think before you whine

ZOMG it went up 5 points..... hybrid builds with only --some-- caster levels will be given a now remote chance of being sucsessful in dispelling as opposed to the previous impossible chance.... AND if these hybrid's focus in g-dispelling...it will make their focus a bit more worthwhile... and as fricebottle stated ; pure casters now have a use for dispell spells !!!

all and all ; the devs have just made another spell useful again ! a VERY GOOD THING !

thank you all !!!

Post by **LinuxPup** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:12 pm

Fricebottle... not sure what you're doing wrong... my bard with no abjuration feats dispells clerics fairly well given they have less than 30 cleric levels, which most clerics do.

And actually, I think I'm right... if you switched it to adding more bonus for abjuration, of course there's more incentive to getting it. lets say each focus feat gives +4 and the base max goes back to 20...that means by getting epic focus you can raise it to 32 + 1d20. Getting an extra +12 is a huge incentive for getting epic abjuration. Instead of getting a mere 6 when the base is already up to 25.

Currently there's less incentive for abjuration feats, because its possible to strip off quite a few buffs on a level 25-30 caster with no feats at all.

-Chronepsis- · Post by **-Chronepsis-** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:04 pm

a lvl 25 - 30 caster should be disspelled easy when focused, my cleric was only 29 caster. So whats the problem with that, and thats before the new dc. Like I said before, those so called cheese builds of 25 - 30 cleric can be disspelled and also beaten. you just need to know how to beat em. I also said this earlier, im just gonna play the game is all. Seems like every build i use, someone complains then whatever ppl dont like gets fixed

. Just remember what is just said, cause guaranteed my next build will be called cheese as well. Have fun guys.

Celorn · Post by **Celorn** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:50 pm

Wow.. glad I took epic focus in abj. on a couple of my toons! Now that g.dispell can cripple a pure caster, it makes the spell more valuable as well as the feats, and it takes away from other useful spells in the same level so you really have to think and balance out your slots.

This development will both help and harm some of my new builds, and it's great since it will hopefully see a much wider range of classes running around, perhaps more focused ones that work in groups rather than try to be solo-queens.

One thing though...what about the lesser and regular dispells?? should they not be given a +5--10? boost as well??