Shout channel

[CrazyJ]

Rudeness, badgering, nagging, pestering, annoying, plaguing, troubling, persecuting, threatening, demanding. You name it. Harassment in NS is intentionally and continually upsetting another player – simple as that.

Thou shalt not abuse the Shout channel by cursing, blaspheming, or harassing messages of any kind.

Someone please explain how these rules make a simple (and short) discussion of new computer parts on Shout (which nobody complained about) something that merits being shut down by a DM.

If the rules are to be changed, fine--do it. Until such point, however, DMs need to respect the rules that are in place. I don't like saying this, but I question the wisdom of having as a DM a person who regularly censors shout in a manner not in accordance with the server rules. I have pointed on several occasions out that the rules do not restrict such conversation, and only restrict language that harms other people, but Mentarch has ignored this.

I would like to see this issue settled so that we may go about our regularly scheduled lives of smiting giants, dracoliches, ogres, etc.

*edit*
Since Mentarch pointed me to it:

1) Its a conversation between 2 persons, why does the whole server needs to hear that then? take it to tells and keep it between you.
Ofcouse when someone asks a question on shout, its justified to answer in shout since others might have the same question, however once the initial question is answered, take it to tells if the player still wants some more information about it.

The conversation in question was not with people in my party (3 others) and I was getting replies from 3-4 other people (on a server population of about 18). Tells are very awkward to use in that sort of situation, and large parties are of course a bad thing due to lag issues.

2) Sometimes its just to prevent the conversation from taking a turn down the wrong road, so we jump in and ask you to take it to tells before it gets that far.

Definitely not a problem in this case.

[Mentarch]

Rudeness, badgering, nagging, pestering, annoying, plaguing, troubling, persecuting, threatening, demanding. You name it. Harassment in NS is intentionally and continually upsetting another player – simple as that.

Thou shalt not abuse the Shout channel by cursing, blaspheming, or harassing messages of any kind.

Someone please explain how these rules make a simple (and short) discussion of new computer parts on Shout (which nobody complained about) something that merits being shut down by a DM.

If the rules are to be changed, fine--do it. Until such point, however, DMs need to respect the rules that are in place. I don't like saying this, but I question the wisdom of having as a DM a person who regularly censors shout in a manner not in accordance with the server rules. I have pointed on several occasions out that the rules do not restrict such conversation, and only restrict language that harms other people, but Mentarch has ignored this.

I would like to see this issue settled so that we may go about our regularly scheduled lives of smiting giants, dracoliches, ogres, etc.

*edit*
Since Mentarch pointed me to it:

1) Its a conversation between 2 persons, why does the whole server needs to hear that then? take it to tells and keep it between you.
Ofcouse when someone asks a question on shout, its justified to answer in shout since others might have the same question, however once the initial question is answered, take it to tells if the player still wants some more information about it.

The conversation in question was not with people in my party (3 others) and I was getting replies from 3-4 other people (on a server population of about 18). Tells are very awkward to use in that sort of situation, and large parties are of course a bad thing due to lag issues.

2) Sometimes its just to prevent the conversation from taking a turn down the wrong road, so we jump in and ask you to take it to tells before it gets that far.

Definitely not a problem in this case.

(Yawns)

Having a complete conversation on shout about purchasing stuff and discussing prices and where the best rebates could have been found and whatnot is shout spamming.

And furthermore, I do not appreciate being talked down and snipped back at on shout when I ask nicely to take such a conversation to tells, chat or talk.

I am beginning to wonder whether some people on reflecion are suffering from "lack of supervision", why with such attitude ... hmmm ...

Next time, I may become "No more Mr. Nice guy" and deal appropriately with such attitude (how's that for being a "out of control DM"?)

Seriously, behaving like 'It's all about me" (to quote TGPO) and now panicking about "shutting down shout" and whatnot is very telling.


I am of course locking this because A) there was another thread about this; and B) I refer everyone to Netrom's (Head DM) response in that thread.

'Nuff said - and move on.

[Metis]

Although I wasnt there by the looks 3-4 people were using the shout channel to discuss computer parts and prices there is absolutly no reason that should be happening, like many things in NS common sense should be applied if I was on as a player it would annoy me since I dont care nor want to hear what someone is looking to buy or build and I dont want to turn off shout because:
I may be looking for a party
I might be looking for an item
I might be selling an item
I want have shout on so I dont miss a server reset notice
I dont want to miss a DM event
I want to know if someone is stealing my relic
Shall I keep going?

Even if you look at it while playing in a group your somewhere all fighting and trying to talk to each other while lines of shout text keep filling up your chat window but you dont want to turn shout off, even just picking a couple reasons from above.

Heck even when people are buying/selling items or want a party they end it with pst(please send tell) while that was never specifically stated as a must people dont do it due to being "worried" about a DM they do it because they are trying to be considerate to the other players who dont want to hear their entire conversation.

A lot of smart people here, need help or advice on a computer issue post it in help and support heck if I can help I will be the first to reply.

[Mentarch]

Although I wasnt there by the looks 3-4 people were using the shout channel to discuss computer parts and prices there is absolutly no reason that should be happening, like many things in NS common sense should be applied if I was on as a player it would annoy me since I dont care nor want to hear what someone is looking to buy or build and I dont want to turn off shout because:
I may be looking for a party
I might be looking for an item
I might be selling an item
I want have shout on so I dont miss a server reset notice
I dont want to miss a DM event
I want to know if someone is stealing my relic
Shall I keep going?

Even if you look at it while playing in a group your somewhere all fighting and trying to talk to each other while lines of shout text keep filling up your chat window but you dont want to turn shout off, even just picking a couple reasons from above.

Heck even when people are buying/selling items or want a party they end it with pst(please send tell) while that was never specifically stated as a must people dont do it due to being "worried" about a DM they do it because they are trying to be considerate to the other players who dont want to hear their entire conversation.

A lot of smart people here, need help or advice on a computer issue post it in help and support heck if I can help I will be the first to reply.

And I would like to add this as post-scriptum: why not then have casual discussions on the shout channel about politics? Movies? Music? Economics? Philosophy? Games? Religion? News? TV shows? Etc., etc., etc.?

What if a player decided to discuss molecular biology with a couple of more players on the shout channel? Or the validity of the superstring theory as a potential all encompassing theory of the universe?

I am sure those not interested in such topics would be greatly annoyed ... just as those who were not interested in following a discussion on shout about who bought what and where and at what price, and where other stuff could be bough cheaper, and whatnot.

See the point, now, all you good folks?

Metis nailed it: common sense *and* consideration for others, please!