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Yeah I got a Question....

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Last night, me and me -BB- dwarven buddy Dutchman were with our -Slave- allies in the Dwarf Holme. So of course, I thought nothing of it because it was just another plane to level on right?

We got in trouble for betraying our faction by a DM, who spawned uber-buffed dwarf people (along with a high priest) right behind us. The good thing was that he explained it to us. Still though, the explanation wasn't satisfactory enough as I'm still confused....

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This seems to fit in a grey area, kinda always had with me. But before this, the wording that the dwarves in the holme plane are drunken crazy satisfied me considering they were naturally hostile to RK so I was to be hostile to them. After this, I became greatly confused.

If you couldn't tell, there was another party in the plane before we came. Naturally, its our dam plane so we killed them. The (TSS) one accused us of harrassment, because I imploded his hippie butt on the way out. One of their party members (non-TSS) killed one of our members first so we cut him down. I raised the fallen member (ours) and when the TSS guy came in we killed him too since he was trying to raise the guy.

I'm assuming the TSS got a DM raise when he was runnning out because we had a spot character who I cast True Seeing on that didn't see anything. No heres where I got confused. We killed non-allies (TC) in dwarf plane, but because we partied with allies (-Slaves-) in the plane we got punished for it :? . So now I'm all confused all over again, can dwarves level in the Dwarf Home or not?
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Post by Amoenotep »

atleast it wasn't public execution....come now to the hands of Mask, i will never treat you this way. :twisted:
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Post by Kirg »

Such a nonsense. Ragnar lost 'is mind some centuries ago. And even if we call ourselves 'is kin, 'e has no authority over us. Even allyin' with those dragondregs, which me personally wouldn't buy an aLe or accept one as a gift btw., is better when ye need another arm against those lunatics there. Wherever that is...
So if Silvanus tells ye Moradin isn't pleased... Do ye really think Moradin would speak to a treehugger god??? Next time think after engulfin' some holy water an' speakin' with the real authority in Underhome, the high priest or is it now a priestess, anyway, speak to the authority. Ye will soon know if what ye're doin' is right or not.
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OOC: Silvanus left you with your pants down, buddy ;).

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No, he left me trying to fig're out how to tie me boots.
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That Moradin does not want dwarves to kill other dwarves is reasonable. That being the case, dwarves that reside in the Dwarf Home should not be hostile to visiting dwarves. If a visiting dwarf attacks, then yes, the locals should become hostile just like attacking your own city guards. The result is that you would become an outcast to your faction. Any dwarf that goes there in peace should be able to walk about freely just like going to their faction's home city. If the Dwarves in the Dwarf Home are always hostile to visiting dwarves that would indicate to me that they are not following the word of Moradin. In this case it would be okay to slay them since the Dwarf Home residents would be the outcasts.

Dwarves are the only race with this particular situation. There is no Elf Home, Halfling Home, Orc Home, etc. Having such a restriction on race only is not balanced.

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Post by P. Fricebottle »

Charles I wrote:In this case it would be okay to slay them since the Dwarf Home residents would be the outcasts.
That reasoning is quite stunning actually....
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Your god is obviously insane - if you want faithfulness, come to Torm the Loyal.
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Silvanus ain't me god, I ain't worhship'in no hippie gods.
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Charles I wrote:That Moradin does not want dwarves to kill other dwarves is reasonable. That being the case, dwarves that reside in the Dwarf Home should not be hostile to visiting dwarves. If a visiting dwarf attacks, then yes, the locals should become hostile just like attacking your own city guards. The result is that you would become an outcast to your faction. Any dwarf that goes there in peace should be able to walk about freely just like going to their faction's home city. If the Dwarves in the Dwarf Home are always hostile to visiting dwarves that would indicate to me that they are not following the word of Moradin. In this case it would be okay to slay them since the Dwarf Home residents would be the outcasts.

Dwarves are the only race with this particular situation. There is no Elf Home, Halfling Home, Orc Home, etc. Having such a restriction on race only is not balanced.
Actually AO has exactly that problem when trying to go after the Shadow Dragon Ebontaxus (or however it is spelled). For some reason that dragon is Blue (ie non-hostile) to AO toons. I was told by Deputy Dog that fighting him wouldn't make us outcasts but it is still disconcerting when he is killing off your party and you are not sure if you can help or not.

As for Dwarves in Dwarf home killing Dwarves and hippies with Allies from Sleeth... ummm... As it was said earlier Ragnar hasn't been himself recently and thos dwarves are themselves outcasts so what's the problem? I think the hippie god of balance was just upset with you killing off his TSS flunkies and used Moradin's name to get to you. That hippie go knows nothing about the ways of the dwarven folk and just wants us all singing and dancing together and not killing noone. Together with Auril we'd all be 1st level still running around our home city with nerf bats...

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Post by minielvis »

On a more positive note; Silvanus did make things right in the end.

I received what was lost and was ported back to my team.

Whether or not Silvanus was RP'ing with us or going for a revenge kill , I do not know.

What I do know is, Silvanus was fair and just in the end.

An aLe to him for that.

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Post by P. Fricebottle »

minielvis wrote:An aLe to him for that.
Well that aLe is comin' out of yer pocket, cause I keep me ale for me-self.
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MLoki wrote:
Charles I wrote:That Moradin does not want dwarves to kill other dwarves is reasonable. That being the case, dwarves that reside in the Dwarf Home should not be hostile to visiting dwarves. If a visiting dwarf attacks, then yes, the locals should become hostile just like attacking your own city guards. The result is that you would become an outcast to your faction. Any dwarf that goes there in peace should be able to walk about freely just like going to their faction's home city. If the Dwarves in the Dwarf Home are always hostile to visiting dwarves that would indicate to me that they are not following the word of Moradin. In this case it would be okay to slay them since the Dwarf Home residents would be the outcasts.

Dwarves are the only race with this particular situation. There is no Elf Home, Halfling Home, Orc Home, etc. Having such a restriction on race only is not balanced.
Actually AO has exactly that problem when trying to go after the Shadow Dragon Ebontaxus (or however it is spelled). For some reason that dragon is Blue (ie non-hostile) to AO toons. I was told by Deputy Dog that fighting him wouldn't make us outcasts but it is still disconcerting when he is killing off your party and you are not sure if you can help or not.

As for Dwarves in Dwarf home killing Dwarves and hippies with Allies from Sleeth... ummm... As it was said earlier Ragnar hasn't been himself recently and thos dwarves are themselves outcasts so what's the problem? I think the hippie god of balance was just upset with you killing off his TSS flunkies and used Moradin's name to get to you. That hippie go knows nothing about the ways of the dwarven folk and just wants us all singing and dancing together and not killing noone. Together with Auril we'd all be 1st level still running around our home city with nerf bats...

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Let me put it to all of you straight: I did not even know there had been any pking going, since I used the long-distance heal tool. Period. I explained that already in game to those involved (after their shouting of 'DM revenge' and me trying to understand why they shouted this) and I find it very telling that now this is being aired in public nonetheless - I am suspecting bad faith on the part of some people here.

Let me repeat: I had NO idea that pking had been involved. End of story, please! :roll:

As for the rest, I chalk it up to some people trying to put me in trouble ... over nothing. :roll:

Talk around, and you'll find many players have been raised when I am on (in fact: some of that same party had been raised by long-distance by myself earlier on! :lol: ). Time and time again. No preferences, no exceptions. I often use the long-distance heal tool and watch for the occasional transition death that may occur after using this tool (and when it happens, I port to raise proper with a spell). And those who bother to get into our events, whether they be micro, small or big, know that I always raise and/or replace lost xps if this happens (or the player did not understand that he did not need to respawn). Same thing when I take it upon myself to add challenges (with some rp) to a party, as what happened exactly in the present case. So again - ... :roll:

Lastly, I redirect you folks to the following link in this same forum concerning any grievances (based or not) against DMs:

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns4/viewtopic.php?t=5601 :wink:

Move on, now. 8)
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