Before I go any further, this is not regarding anyone specific since I have seen these actions from almost every faction. In this post I will not accept any names being said I want to make a certain point anything other then constructive thoughts will be deleted.
Since I am new here I wanted to give my view on the interaction. I have seen many events attempted to be held and now that I see the some of the replies and I am very very surprised. This is by no means a RP server but the amount of impatience and immediate complaints astounds me.
I do not want to go into every little deatil but what I can say is this. All of the DM's really work hard and try to do things, and yes it may seem unfair or impossible mobs or anything but very few actually seem to wait it out or just try. I have seen some be willing to take hit after hit of xp,gold,etc to keep something going and others within 2 seconds of death start shouting. My advice try to actually enjoy it, if you care nothing for any kind of quest or adventure then use the DM channel and say you don't want it, you only like to kill the AI. In my short time here it can be frustrating when I plan something a longer quest and someone dies half-way through I get a tell that it isnt fair etc when they don't even give it a chance or for that matter give me some time to get them back involved. Those that actually suffered were then rewarded for fighting their way through.
Other things to consider.
1. "Gods" does not mean our computers cant crash at the worst time.
2. we may be setting something else up so wait a little bit
3. even if it is something we want to host, something may have come up in game that needs immediate attention
4. it may actually be something we are not aware of, what happened to a polite explanation on the DM channel of what the problem is? or a prayer of what happened? (what ever happened to actually praying anyways?)
I do not think these are heavy requests and most of the people go along and I know have a great time. I think if you give it a chance the events will be fun for everyone involved....if you give it a chance.
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Ok I guess your asking for feedback here positive and negative so here is both
[delete me if its not what your looking for].
Though there does appear to be a greater focus on the negative I enjoy the server and all the work that has been put in very much, it's why we get passionate about it.
Great stuff:
Prayer responces, they are awesome, varied, random, spontanious and instant... I love that part of this server most of all the things done here.
Good stuff:
Ogre Chief (becomes merfolk) King of the hill, started out real good, challange was up on the normal mob and it gave us something to try and achieve, but the waves just kept getting stronger until it got a bit too tough for us and we were stopped, allot further along than I thaught we would have made it.
I felt although we gave it our best shot didn't seem to be an end to the escalating difficulty of Mobs sort of doomed to fail eventualy, we chewed trhough allot of our resources to do this. It was fun. There however was no "reward" which caused me to leave the party and force them to move on, I could just tell some people were standing there waiting for whatever they felt was deserved.... and a sword is what they got
Not so good stuff:
Murderer event, I felt put upon by that event, I was attacked by a talking NPC (DM?) when I cast a benificial spell (improved invisibility) on them, after telling him what I was doing, resulting in a death from player seconds afterward and so I logged out to let my disapointment fade and the so event could run its course. When I logged back an hour or two later I was slain by some other Imposible (DM controlled?) dude, looking for revenge on a PC in a rival faction (the same PC who killed me earlier?) No notification the event was still running, no warning the guys had escalated somewhat in power. Given the already escalated powers of the Charactor that slew me, the lack of tangible rewards for going toe to toe with DM's newest pets (who just get tougher if you beat them), and the earlier incident. I asked to be excluded from that event (I can vouch for the fact your request will be granted).
Back to good stuff:
Escalating powers and DM continueing on after killed were well justified with storey/fluff (but only after there were complaints on shout).
On the same night a little while after the above event finished the Mobs started getting buffs they had never had before, and healing themselves and stuff, it was more fun than trying to beat than an impossable monk who I can't run from cause monks are so damned fast and I dont know if the DM even knew I was onto him playing games with me, but that was fun... very cool.
Conclusions:
A chance to run away or chose other than to fight is always appreciated, whether PC, NPC, or DM is the agressor...
Toe-Toe should have some tangible reward, A DM event is typically going to be harder than a Boss kill and there more to gain from the boss.
DISCLAIMER: my perception only and there are at least two sides to every storey
[delete me if its not what your looking for].
Though there does appear to be a greater focus on the negative I enjoy the server and all the work that has been put in very much, it's why we get passionate about it.
Great stuff:
Prayer responces, they are awesome, varied, random, spontanious and instant... I love that part of this server most of all the things done here.
Good stuff:
Ogre Chief (becomes merfolk) King of the hill, started out real good, challange was up on the normal mob and it gave us something to try and achieve, but the waves just kept getting stronger until it got a bit too tough for us and we were stopped, allot further along than I thaught we would have made it.
I felt although we gave it our best shot didn't seem to be an end to the escalating difficulty of Mobs sort of doomed to fail eventualy, we chewed trhough allot of our resources to do this. It was fun. There however was no "reward" which caused me to leave the party and force them to move on, I could just tell some people were standing there waiting for whatever they felt was deserved.... and a sword is what they got
Not so good stuff:
Murderer event, I felt put upon by that event, I was attacked by a talking NPC (DM?) when I cast a benificial spell (improved invisibility) on them, after telling him what I was doing, resulting in a death from player seconds afterward and so I logged out to let my disapointment fade and the so event could run its course. When I logged back an hour or two later I was slain by some other Imposible (DM controlled?) dude, looking for revenge on a PC in a rival faction (the same PC who killed me earlier?) No notification the event was still running, no warning the guys had escalated somewhat in power. Given the already escalated powers of the Charactor that slew me, the lack of tangible rewards for going toe to toe with DM's newest pets (who just get tougher if you beat them), and the earlier incident. I asked to be excluded from that event (I can vouch for the fact your request will be granted).
Back to good stuff:
Escalating powers and DM continueing on after killed were well justified with storey/fluff (but only after there were complaints on shout).
On the same night a little while after the above event finished the Mobs started getting buffs they had never had before, and healing themselves and stuff, it was more fun than trying to beat than an impossable monk who I can't run from cause monks are so damned fast and I dont know if the DM even knew I was onto him playing games with me, but that was fun... very cool.
Conclusions:
A chance to run away or chose other than to fight is always appreciated, whether PC, NPC, or DM is the agressor...
Toe-Toe should have some tangible reward, A DM event is typically going to be harder than a Boss kill and there more to gain from the boss.
DISCLAIMER: my perception only and there are at least two sides to every storey
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Bah! You always have your complainer, just like you always have your "yes-men". One does nothin but disagree and complain, while the other would say the sky was green if you told him it was. You gotta take them both with a grain of salt, while at the same time listen to em both and try to find that happy medium.
Sometimes its hard being in charge
As for my opinion? I think you guys try too hard sometimes. Every once in a while you just gotta do the simple stuff like what red-mane described above. Did it take alot of coding or scripting to put the merfolk highlord on the mountain pass? I doubt it, but it was fun =) I even added a segment in the bearded bard though im far from a writer
But on the whole you guys do an excellent job, and I applaud your effort. Wouldnt have stayed here for months if I didn't like the server (I usually go through games in a matter of weeks =P).
Sometimes its hard being in charge
As for my opinion? I think you guys try too hard sometimes. Every once in a while you just gotta do the simple stuff like what red-mane described above. Did it take alot of coding or scripting to put the merfolk highlord on the mountain pass? I doubt it, but it was fun =) I even added a segment in the bearded bard though im far from a writer
But on the whole you guys do an excellent job, and I applaud your effort. Wouldnt have stayed here for months if I didn't like the server (I usually go through games in a matter of weeks =P).
I think Metis was sort of posting in reaction to a quest I did earlier tonight, in which I got awfully PO'ed on the DM channel afterwards. It was going to be a straight-forward quest, whereby I brought the SL relic back to Menzo, then challenged people to come conquer it (sort of how Lolth enjoys watching her Drow suffer).
Well, it got underway. First, people got pissy because I took back the relic from Sleeth. Then, people got pissy that I was "favoring Menzo", which, you know, you think Lolth might do. Then, people got pissy because it was taking too long to get to Menzo, and "why didn't I pick a closer faction" (to Avendell). Then, once someone completed the quest, their party got pissy that they weren't all rewarded, when I had announced only the individual would be rewarded at the start. Then, they attacked Lolth for "invading" NS, so naturally I killed them, and rather than waiting for a free resurrect as I always have done for years now, they respawned instantly and got pissy that a "DM was griefing them for XP loss".
It's not that we don't like doing quests. I for one enjoy it a great deal, and I'm not always looking for the big, complex ones. I think this one tonight would have been a nice, simple, straightforward one of the types you're discussing above. Rather, it's that people get so bloody petty about it... if it doesn't go just so for some people, than we're the bad guys out to ruin their fun.
All we really want out of DMing is appreciation; I think that's all everyone who works on NS4 wants, DMs and Devs and Admins combined. And we know people do appreciate the work, but when you read the forums each day, or listen to shout each day while we're on, you hear a lot more complaining and bitching than thanking. Heck, if anything, everyone should send a PM to all the devs (especially Zing) for getting this relic system up so flawlessly with such massive amounts of work... Zing even posted a pic of his crazily-cluttered desk from it all.
Thanks for enduring my (rare) ranting... hope it got through a bit!
Well, it got underway. First, people got pissy because I took back the relic from Sleeth. Then, people got pissy that I was "favoring Menzo", which, you know, you think Lolth might do. Then, people got pissy because it was taking too long to get to Menzo, and "why didn't I pick a closer faction" (to Avendell). Then, once someone completed the quest, their party got pissy that they weren't all rewarded, when I had announced only the individual would be rewarded at the start. Then, they attacked Lolth for "invading" NS, so naturally I killed them, and rather than waiting for a free resurrect as I always have done for years now, they respawned instantly and got pissy that a "DM was griefing them for XP loss".
It's not that we don't like doing quests. I for one enjoy it a great deal, and I'm not always looking for the big, complex ones. I think this one tonight would have been a nice, simple, straightforward one of the types you're discussing above. Rather, it's that people get so bloody petty about it... if it doesn't go just so for some people, than we're the bad guys out to ruin their fun.
All we really want out of DMing is appreciation; I think that's all everyone who works on NS4 wants, DMs and Devs and Admins combined. And we know people do appreciate the work, but when you read the forums each day, or listen to shout each day while we're on, you hear a lot more complaining and bitching than thanking. Heck, if anything, everyone should send a PM to all the devs (especially Zing) for getting this relic system up so flawlessly with such massive amounts of work... Zing even posted a pic of his crazily-cluttered desk from it all.
Thanks for enduring my (rare) ranting... hope it got through a bit!
~DM Yonwe
Lolth - Goddess of the Drow
Velsharoon - God of Undeath
Lolth - Goddess of the Drow
Velsharoon - God of Undeath
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Death Dealer1
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i think its getting to the point where ppl have gotten their way before so now they expect it. i was the first to show up at that quest, get the relic and all, but decided to take the opprotunity to show a fellow gamer how to steal one and get one back while defending...got some razzing from Talos, but hey i'm here for fun. not sure how we could fix anything like this in the future...seems like its getting a little out of hand though.
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I wasn't on for the relic quest, but I don't see the problem with Lloth coming in and taking back HER relic. I bet if all the Sleeth guys just ganged up on Lloth then they could have got the relic back anyway. As for the bounty quests, I didn't really like them. Not because the DMs didn't do a good job, which Chase did, but because it was so complex and took so long. For about 2 hours we were all in the mentality that it was a NPC that stayed hidden in one spot, but it was actually a PC who was running around.
- Quests that I do like are the simpler ones, I don't really care for a reward. Like that one time me and my group were resting in the caves, then the DM started spawning air (I think they might have been water) elementals and started out spawning lesser ones and at the end we had to fight an ancient one. The entire time we weren't allowed to rest because of the continued battle, so it was a cool challenge. Wizards were out of spells and fighters were wounded. Despite the xp we gained for killing the elementals, we also got 1k xp each at the end, I gained a level and it was pretty neat.
- As for the relic system, I'm glad that theres a new way we can help lowbies easier while keeping our level 30s entertained until level 40 is achievable.
HA people are funny ... Hell I think a factions local God should be very upset if its relic should fall into enemies hands ... Maybe even slap his followers around alittle to get them motivated to get it back .. even throw out some curses ... hell you picked an evil faction hince an evil god so deal with it ..... Thought being evil was all fun and games eh? .. Maybe good factions might get rewarded for their attempt at recovering a stolen relic by their good god.
I think there shold be a down side to being evil ...
..... Thought being evil was all fun and games eh? .. Maybe good factions might get rewarded for their attempt at recovering a stolen relic by their good god. I think there shold be a down side to being evil ...
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Ok heres my 2 cents....
I think all the devs, dms, moderators are all real great. The server is going in a real good direction. This is the only thing i have to say.
There have been some real good events. Ones that are real fun. Some that have great rewards. I personally have had lots of fun when a real good event has been started.
But there are allways those higher powers that seem like they abuse there powers. THIS IS NOT A ATTACK ON THE DMs.
One time we were leveling up the MT and a DM player char ran up the MT and level drained us. ok...... Next he logged in himself as a DM and had a avendell guard meet us half way up the MT and then level drain us again..... after standing there for a few seconeds to find out what the heck was going on i left pissed off......
Later i was told the DM was trying to start an event.....
so now from our end it looks like the DM was just havoing fun doing whatever they want and then try to make it seem legit by adding the fact he was GOING to add in an event.
Then last night seemd the same instant. A dm ran in took something we worked so hard to get back and then after there were multiple complaints about it .....suddenly a DM event had started. When there was no event untill the problems started.
This has been the concern on others i have talked too. It seems that some times DMs get a little out of controll with there powers and try to cover it up with an event.... which leads to horrible events and people thinking there is unfair treatment going on.
For whatzs nits worth the events qwhen properly planned out are AMAZING!!!!!!
Keep up the good work .... LOVE THE RELIC SYSTEM!!!
I think all the devs, dms, moderators are all real great. The server is going in a real good direction. This is the only thing i have to say.
There have been some real good events. Ones that are real fun. Some that have great rewards. I personally have had lots of fun when a real good event has been started.
But there are allways those higher powers that seem like they abuse there powers. THIS IS NOT A ATTACK ON THE DMs.
One time we were leveling up the MT and a DM player char ran up the MT and level drained us. ok...... Next he logged in himself as a DM and had a avendell guard meet us half way up the MT and then level drain us again..... after standing there for a few seconeds to find out what the heck was going on i left pissed off......
Later i was told the DM was trying to start an event.....
so now from our end it looks like the DM was just havoing fun doing whatever they want and then try to make it seem legit by adding the fact he was GOING to add in an event.
Then last night seemd the same instant. A dm ran in took something we worked so hard to get back and then after there were multiple complaints about it .....suddenly a DM event had started. When there was no event untill the problems started.
This has been the concern on others i have talked too. It seems that some times DMs get a little out of controll with there powers and try to cover it up with an event.... which leads to horrible events and people thinking there is unfair treatment going on.
For whatzs nits worth the events qwhen properly planned out are AMAZING!!!!!!
Keep up the good work .... LOVE THE RELIC SYSTEM!!!
The Gods of the realm are ALL POWERFULL ... be it lvl drain or heal you should feel special that you felt the divine touch of one of them. Congrats to S.L for holding all the relics for so long . I tried multiple times to with FoN to gain N.C's back and failed 
...... I think the item loss should be removed now that we have a relic system .. lost almost all my gear on a few chars lol.
The Heavy bonus a faction gets while controlling them should be enough without the free gear (might make it worth the try for lower lvl's to get in on that fun).
...... I think the item loss should be removed now that we have a relic system .. lost almost all my gear on a few chars lol. The Heavy bonus a faction gets while controlling them should be enough without the free gear (might make it worth the try for lower lvl's to get in on that fun).
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ok, i don't want to start a flame war but i have some new found experience as a "questing DM". i have seen how when players are told there will be a quest impatience rules out and ppl get beligerent on when it should start because its good for them.
a DM needs time and preparation to get a good event going. if it is a spontaneous just thought of event some actions have to be taken so that the plot can emerge as naturally as possible, be it by taking the relic back to the town or lvl draining ppl at random so they can have a plot.
all i really want to say is that patience should be used when dealing with unexpected events. if its bad or good i'm sure it will work out better in the end if you take a breath and calm down. i have felt the wrath of the 2 min rez/kill sessions of old. i have been stripped of all my gear and told to have fun making it back to town. all these things worked out ok because i was patient with them.
a DM doing an event has to monitor so many different things they get side tracked or distracted by a number of different possibilities. just be patient, no one is playing favorites and i'm sure every thing will be ok in the end.
a DM needs time and preparation to get a good event going. if it is a spontaneous just thought of event some actions have to be taken so that the plot can emerge as naturally as possible, be it by taking the relic back to the town or lvl draining ppl at random so they can have a plot.
all i really want to say is that patience should be used when dealing with unexpected events. if its bad or good i'm sure it will work out better in the end if you take a breath and calm down. i have felt the wrath of the 2 min rez/kill sessions of old. i have been stripped of all my gear and told to have fun making it back to town. all these things worked out ok because i was patient with them.
a DM doing an event has to monitor so many different things they get side tracked or distracted by a number of different possibilities. just be patient, no one is playing favorites and i'm sure every thing will be ok in the end.
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Hear hear!Death Dealer1 wrote:ok, i don't want to start a flame war but i have some new found experience as a "questing DM". i have seen how when players are told there will be a quest impatience rules out and ppl get beligerent on when it should start because its good for them.
a DM needs time and preparation to get a good event going. if it is a spontaneous just thought of event some actions have to be taken so that the plot can emerge as naturally as possible, be it by taking the relic back to the town or lvl draining ppl at random so they can have a plot.
all i really want to say is that patience should be used when dealing with unexpected events. if its bad or good i'm sure it will work out better in the end if you take a breath and calm down. i have felt the wrath of the 2 min rez/kill sessions of old. i have been stripped of all my gear and told to have fun making it back to town. all these things worked out ok because i was patient with them.
a DM doing an event has to monitor so many different things they get side tracked or distracted by a number of different possibilities. just be patient, no one is playing favorites and i'm sure every thing will be ok in the end.
When I was rather low lvl with Zaranthys (v1) I was given the task of returning an amulet from Melencia to Helm's Monument to Justice (just south of Avendell). Feeling somewhat inadequate yet for the task, I continued to adventure about Melencia to increase in lvls - then a pestering pixie started talking to my toon, spurring me on to complete the quest - rping the event (i.e. "I am not skilled enough to undertake such a dangerous journey"), the pixie offered to accompany me ( and buff my toon along the way). Then at some point nearing Avendell, Helm spoke to my toon, accepting the amulet and congratualting me for facing dangers and such
Heck, one event in TC occured some two weeks ago and it was a truly first event for me - meaning I didn't know that falling during events meant simply *waiting* to be raised! (lol) So, the naive/novice that I was respawned right off after falling to rest/rebuff and get right back in! (lol)
Afterwards I was told all I needed to do was *wait* for a rez/heal instead of respawning! (lol) But I didn't mind, cuz I was (of course) rping the whole event and thus didn't even mind losing xps - I was just stir-happy to have a faction-event! (OK - call me noob or stupid, but hey! I like to rp, although not ad nauseum -lol-)
In any case, I was told of this by the DM doing the event (no need for names) and I even replied that I didn't even mind the loss of gold/xps - because it was all fun *and* exciting!
What do you know? The Gods thereafter gave me an extra 'reward' for my "sacrifice and dedication for the defense of Melencia" by restoring the lost xps ...
Then, there was the "Tresspass!" thing about Bane "losing" mystral golems or elementals here and there (and it still happens - heck, even drows or half-fiend warriors appear as summons right in my path from time to time -lol-) ... at some point, I had to face a Mystral Iron Golem - I tell you guys, that thing was *tough* for the levels I was at the time for Zaranthys v2 (TSS) - I fought the best I could and came *this* close to die ... but I *won* in the end while even affording myself the luxury of taunting Bane a bit (lol) - yet, I knew that if I had fallen, I would have been rez/healed by 'Bane' (as DM), with probably a good and well deserved "hahahaha you weakling-be thankful that I raised you-etc.etc.etc."
Heck, I liked these stuff so much that I offered to have Zaranthys (v1) as a bounty for being "good" and/or "daring" to be a harper scout - and we all know now what happened with this!
See?
As simple (and FUN!!!!!) as that!
- Zaranthys Rivermoon, ranger.
"Walk long and far, friend. Safe journeys and safer returns"
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"Walk long and far, friend. Safe journeys and safer returns"
*The Few, The Proud, The Silver Striders (TSS)*