I have a question about generaly excepted behaviour on the server...
Is it generaly accepted that a toons actions will have ramifications for all that players toons or for the most part are people seperating player from Charactor?
ANONYMOUS (yeah right)
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While we're on the subject of Behavior, I'd like to know what the Powers-That-Be have to say about those who steal weapons by way of the Disarm feat.
This is becoming a real issue for some people (both victims and those who perpetrate the act). It is fast becoming the new way to push people around.
The sad part is, all this does is drive people (new and old) away from the server. And if this garbage behavior is tolerated, we will be reduced to having everyone take the same build so we can keep our hard-earned gear. Worse still, after a while the only people who will remain will be the ones with the same junk attitude. Then we won't even need rules, because there wont be anyone who wants to play any other way.
Not everybody has the luxury of partying with a Mongolian horde to get stuff. And if they did join certain hordes, they'd just be used for meat-armor until the job was done and then be sent home on the PK express with a little side-order of treachery.
Warfalcon
This is becoming a real issue for some people (both victims and those who perpetrate the act). It is fast becoming the new way to push people around.
The sad part is, all this does is drive people (new and old) away from the server. And if this garbage behavior is tolerated, we will be reduced to having everyone take the same build so we can keep our hard-earned gear. Worse still, after a while the only people who will remain will be the ones with the same junk attitude. Then we won't even need rules, because there wont be anyone who wants to play any other way.
Not everybody has the luxury of partying with a Mongolian horde to get stuff. And if they did join certain hordes, they'd just be used for meat-armor until the job was done and then be sent home on the PK express with a little side-order of treachery.
Warfalcon
it may change later on as of now i recommend. points in the right places and a skill focus and a epic skill focus, may help. carry a junk weapon and when you see a disarming player come switch,that just my 2 cents.
some of you older players that disarm and take the weapon. i have a question for you? arent you guys the same players that used to hate it, when it happened to you? so now you keep the weapon? hmmm odd.
some of you older players that disarm and take the weapon. i have a question for you? arent you guys the same players that used to hate it, when it happened to you? so now you keep the weapon? hmmm odd.
There was a time when I didn't think this was a "nice" thing to do; legal always, but perhaps not nice. However, the situations of the game have changed with the introduction of the "invaders lose items on defender-kills" script. Personally, I think defenders (and anyone else, for that matter) shouldn't be immune to losing an item just because you weren't invading some enemy city at the time.
And as Chase said, it's fairly easy to avoid being disarmed... just max out discipline and switch to a junk weapon if you can (I carry a non-magical Club on my person just for this occasion; you can't even sell it in a store
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And as Chase said, it's fairly easy to avoid being disarmed... just max out discipline and switch to a junk weapon if you can (I carry a non-magical Club on my person just for this occasion; you can't even sell it in a store
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meh.
once you have a decent epic toon, you can run and grab any weapon in the game in a matter of minutes... except for a few that don't always drop (ie: storm kama!)
As, for fight-disarming, I always have 1 or 2 backups of the same or similar weapon ready to go if i do get disarmed, but i haven't yet had that prob.
Also if you're always ready for a disarm to happen to you, you can try to be faster then your attacker and pick it up before they do ;]
once you have a decent epic toon, you can run and grab any weapon in the game in a matter of minutes... except for a few that don't always drop (ie: storm kama!)
As, for fight-disarming, I always have 1 or 2 backups of the same or similar weapon ready to go if i do get disarmed, but i haven't yet had that prob.
Also if you're always ready for a disarm to happen to you, you can try to be faster then your attacker and pick it up before they do ;]
So garbage behavior wins out. We have to sacrifice feats because other people can't play nice. We all have to play monks so we cant have our wepons stolen.
In that vein, let Rogues steal specific items from people so that there's a chance you could get your gear back.
Its sad that the monsters are the least of your worries. Now, the only reason to play is Levels. The Jerks won't leave you alone. You cant have good gear. So all thats left is "shut-up and earn your xp".
Is this really what you guys have envisioned for NS4?
I'm not against PK and I'm not against evil characters. I'm against malicious harassment. I'm against garbage behavior becoming an institution. I'm against people acting like jerks just because they get their jollies from it and because thats all they want from the server. I'm against people creating a situation where there is only one way to play.
Garbage attitues are rewarded with power, stolen gear, and immature ego-building. Good behavior is rewarded by seeing you and your friends harassed and leaving the server, your gear stolen, and having to watch the jerks that did it sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labors. These jerks come into YOUR server treat YOUR guests like garbage, and log off feeling good about themselves. While people who might really appreciate the server for more than their own "ego-stroking" have to go and find some other junk server to play on beacuse being a jerk isnt part of the culture there.
Read the posts left on these Forums! They spell out in clear detail how certain people feel. If you dont like being PK'd your a "Whiner". Over and over we hear "It's a PK server!" so that is justification for all that they do. Even though it has been pointed out that PK is not the sole purpose for this server.
Yet:
They go on about how long they have been associated with NS - But they violate the rules until you decide to crack down. (How old are these rules? How long have they been on the forums?)
For the sake of people who quietly take this garbage and dont complain this matter needs to be discussed. That is my purpose. Because the jerks can run rampant and hug the line of the rules and still (in effect) bully people, harass them, and in doing so enforce that there is only one way to play on this server. So Newbies and RP people have no place here. I would like to know what people have to say about it. And maybe it would be informative to have people really seriousy weigh in on this issue.
Warfalcon
In that vein, let Rogues steal specific items from people so that there's a chance you could get your gear back.
Its sad that the monsters are the least of your worries. Now, the only reason to play is Levels. The Jerks won't leave you alone. You cant have good gear. So all thats left is "shut-up and earn your xp".
Is this really what you guys have envisioned for NS4?
I'm not against PK and I'm not against evil characters. I'm against malicious harassment. I'm against garbage behavior becoming an institution. I'm against people acting like jerks just because they get their jollies from it and because thats all they want from the server. I'm against people creating a situation where there is only one way to play.
Garbage attitues are rewarded with power, stolen gear, and immature ego-building. Good behavior is rewarded by seeing you and your friends harassed and leaving the server, your gear stolen, and having to watch the jerks that did it sit back and enjoy the fruits of their labors. These jerks come into YOUR server treat YOUR guests like garbage, and log off feeling good about themselves. While people who might really appreciate the server for more than their own "ego-stroking" have to go and find some other junk server to play on beacuse being a jerk isnt part of the culture there.
Read the posts left on these Forums! They spell out in clear detail how certain people feel. If you dont like being PK'd your a "Whiner". Over and over we hear "It's a PK server!" so that is justification for all that they do. Even though it has been pointed out that PK is not the sole purpose for this server.
Yet:
They go on about how long they have been associated with NS - But they violate the rules until you decide to crack down. (How old are these rules? How long have they been on the forums?)
For the sake of people who quietly take this garbage and dont complain this matter needs to be discussed. That is my purpose. Because the jerks can run rampant and hug the line of the rules and still (in effect) bully people, harass them, and in doing so enforce that there is only one way to play on this server. So Newbies and RP people have no place here. I would like to know what people have to say about it. And maybe it would be informative to have people really seriousy weigh in on this issue.
Warfalcon
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Donan
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I wanted to chime in with this as any of you know I have killed tons of people 20 lvls below me and have been killed probably more then that. My point is on disarm stuff if someone very high lvl comes and beats you silly, fine that’s the way the world is. But someone way higher lvl is running around disarming just to steal weapons I don’t agree with that. I think if it happens most people on the server will put that person on their KOS list, I know I would. Also to be fair it would be a hard rule for the DM’s to enforce and considering all the new stuff that keeps coming I wouldn’t want them to spend a ton of time examing these incidents.
If it happens give a shout with the persons name, I think you will be happy with how many start hunting him and return
If it happens give a shout with the persons name, I think you will be happy with how many start hunting him and return
as far as people taking your weapon always have a spair, i have 3-4 backups of any weapon i currently use for this purpose. if they do disarm you and take your weapon the first thing is to politely ask for it back over a tell, if they refuse announce it on shout and other players will hunt them down. There are a lot of high level players on ns4 who look down on any type of harassing or pking if they are effortless. if a player pk's you period announce it on shout and if they were too powerful for you some people will make him pay. Its not acceptable behavior and there are people who will stand up for you, you just have to let people know whats happening on the server, not just on here. Id be happy to help myself if a player is harassing you I'll guard you, etc.
when i first started on this server a lot of this stuff happened to me, just dont take it personally and continue to level up your toon and get the person back. that will make them back off.
when i first started on this server a lot of this stuff happened to me, just dont take it personally and continue to level up your toon and get the person back. that will make them back off.
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Death Dealer1
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spare weapons are something the "old school" players figured out on day 3...took that long to find a hostile faction. disarm will always be out there and used by some. the only true way to protect yourself is not have a weapon. other than that, carry a spare of some sort that you can use just as well. if you get enough support from ppl on a server you can kill anyone easily....you just have to look.
The Disarm situation didnt even happen to me. Neither am I complaining about the rules.
However there are people who think (despite what is said) that this server exists for the benefit of those who treat others like garbage.
I wanted to make a point of mentioning this because there are people who leave because they think nobody gives a damn. I do and I'm trying to feel out the issue.
I made my points and thats that.
I wish attitudes would change.
Its a pity too because the people who leave arent the kind of jerks who run squealing to Bioware and causing grief for everybody.
Warfalcon
However there are people who think (despite what is said) that this server exists for the benefit of those who treat others like garbage.
I wanted to make a point of mentioning this because there are people who leave because they think nobody gives a damn. I do and I'm trying to feel out the issue.
I made my points and thats that.
I wish attitudes would change.
Its a pity too because the people who leave arent the kind of jerks who run squealing to Bioware and causing grief for everybody.
Warfalcon
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Zaranthys Rivermoon
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Jerks will always be jerks - I know of a few who play toons from NC (you know, allies of TC?) and allow their 'friends' from other factions to KoS us as they stand there, doing nothing ... and then calling us 'wusses' and such when we complain to them 
I guess their little brains just cannot comprehend something so simple as to what in-faction and in-alliance behavior are supposed to be about
I guess their little brains just cannot comprehend something so simple as to what in-faction and in-alliance behavior are supposed to be about
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I'm not very happen when Kromix bigsbied me and Havok disarmed my Pirahna's Tooth, but I'll just get them back later (Not by hunting your lowbies, geeze) 
. Besides, it only took about 10-15 minutes to go to Sunken Isle and kill the King's Agent to get a new one, and I also got a Tooth of the Great white which I wanted for another one of my characters. Its not nice, but it doesn't have to illegal. I was kinda mad, because all I was doing was going to give some money to one of my friend's characters in Sleeth (but I had to cross KsT's mountain 
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. Besides, it only took about 10-15 minutes to go to Sunken Isle and kill the King's Agent to get a new one, and I also got a Tooth of the Great white which I wanted for another one of my characters. Its not nice, but it doesn't have to illegal. I was kinda mad, because all I was doing was going to give some money to one of my friend's characters in Sleeth (but I had to cross KsT's mountain ).