ON ROLEPLAYING

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ON ROLEPLAYING

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Due to the fact that NS4 is going to have more emphasis on roleplaying than NS3 did, I would like to take this opportunity to (hopefully) correct some misconceptions about roleplaying.

WHAT ROLEPLAYING IS:

Roleplaying is, to put it simply, pretending. Like an actor, you 'play' the 'role'. The difference between actors and roleplaying gamers lies basically in one key point: gamers don't have a script to follow, unlike most actors. Roleplaying games are basically improvisational theater with rules imposed to prevent utter chaos. :)

If you ever played Cowboys and Indians (yes, I know that's not PC... so shoot me, I was always an Indian :) ), Cops and Robbers, Superheroes, Dress-up, House... you've roleplayed and probably never knew it. (As proof of how geeky my friends and I were, we usually played Star Trek as kids. I got to be Spock because I could raise one eyebrow and say 'Fascinating' without cracking up.)

Another aspect of roleplaying is separation of character and player knowledge. For example, if I'm playing a Drow Cleric in SL, she won't know that all the LA players are going to be taking part in a raid on the Bandit HQ at a certain time just because my LA character was invited to take part. Thus, it would be out-of-character knowledge and I wouldn't use it to schedule a raid on LA. Now, if a Drow assassin had found himself in a position to eavesdrop on some LA characters boasting about how 'the whole faction is going to wipe out the bandits next Tuesday', that's in-character knowledge... and the Last Alliance is probably gonna get pwned. :twisted:

WHAT ROLEPLAYING ISN'T:

Speaking in the vernacular (also known as Elizabethan English or 'thee speak'). This can be a *part* of roleplaying (i.e., your character always speaks that way because that's how they speak in the world he came from), but it is not necessary. My PnP gaming group does quite well roleplaying while using idiomatic 21st century American English. When used properly, this can add a lot to roleplay: "Thou'rt a craven knave indeed!", to me, sounds better than, "You're just a big chicken!"

Forcing other people to play 'in character'. If someone doesn't want to roleplay, all the shouting in the world won't change that fact. Accept it and move on. If you really want to annoy them, respond as your character would to their questions. "What is my class build? I don't understand your question..."

An unrestricted license for PvP. If you're griefing, you're griefing. The standard rules still apply - and anyone I catch going through my pockets better be able to out-fight or out-run me if they don't want to respawn. :D

BEING 'IN CHARACTER':

Metagame information, such as class/level, hit points, experience and ability scores are not things that a character has any real knowledge of. In general, you can refer to these things as references: 'Tordek is a warrior who is as strong as an ox and just about as bright. He's only recently come to Aetheria and doesn't remember many of his skills from his old world.' could be used to describe a 16 STR, 9 INT, 1st-level fighter.

Something like 'Suyara is a nimble but not-too-hardy halfling ro... er, scout, who has seen several winters in Evenshire.' to describe an 18 DEX, 8 CON 5th-level halfing rogue. (There's no set period for describing levels unless you want to establish one; LadyCheron and I used to speak of 'seasons', as in "I've been adventuring for 7 seasons" to indicate a 7th level character.)

One can ask for a person's 'profession' rather than his 'class', and you can also give out descriptive text instead of just the class name: "I have the honor to be a humble penitent of Lathander, trying to spread his wisdom and healing light to the dark corners of Aetheria." sounds better than "I'm a cleric with Sun and Healing domains." Metagame information, like a specific build, is better discussed outside of the game. You have access to the boards and the #neversummer irc channel; use them!

IN CONCLUSION:

Roleplaying can add a lot to your Neversummer experience. If you don't feel like doing it, however, you don't have to... and no-one should force you to. But by the same token, you shouldn't try to force someone to NOT roleplay. If all you want to do is log on and kill things, go ahead... but don't get upset when someone asks you, 'What ho, m'lord? Off to slay another ogre, thou sayest! Canst partake of thy glorious adventure?'... it might be me. :lol:

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Post by geoffdhill »

>>Due to the fact that NS4 is going to have more emphasis on roleplaying than NS3 did

I thought we were PW Action listed?

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Post by Billiard »

geoffdhill wrote:>>Due to the fact that NS4 is going to have more emphasis on roleplaying than NS3 did

I thought we were PW Action listed?

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geoff,

I don't think action oriented and roleplay are necessarily exclusive, and no one will be enforcing roleplay though that may indeed become to norm for the mod. If you think about the origin of NWN, it's really based on RP, but being a computer game made it become feasible to powergame as well. Back in the PnP days I played both story related and more action related versions of D&D, gurps, etc. I like the action as developing a story line for the chacter without really changing the character itself was kind of boring. Powergaming is fun as well, but the reason why I quit D2 was that meaningful interaction with other players was really limited. Anyway, just my two cents.

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Post by Gil-Este »

geoffdhill wrote:>>Due to the fact that NS4 is going to have more emphasis on roleplaying than NS3 did

I thought we were PW Action listed?

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we are. which is why roleplaying is not enforced. but roleplaying is not banned either. in fact, it sounds like it will be encouraged.

Edit: way to go Billiard go another response while i'm writing mine. :P j/k
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Re: ON ROLEPLAYING

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Sir Sean wrote:'Suyara is a nimble but not-too-hardy halfling ro... er, scout...
I usually go something like "Suyara is a ro...stalwart merchant, yes stalwart merchant, get yer stalwarts here, just like mom used to make." :lol:

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Post by DeputyDog »

We need a new catagory

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Post by powerferret »

Holy Unfair-Edit Batman! lol Nice one NottyGirl.

Now, onto my thoughts on the whole roleplaying arguement....
I call shinanigans. I think this is an arguement that was artificially brought up just for the sake of argueing. One of the most hard and fast rules about people is that once they have made up their mind about anything, it's going to take the next apocalypse to change it. As this server has no rules in regards to role playing, then those who want to, do so and quit complaining about people who don't want to. Those who don't role play, don't, and quit complaing about the people who do want to. I also think this subject has been beaten to death already and I vote to close up this thread and anymore argueing the points of roleplaying or not.

/end rant
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Post by Mokihana »

I belive the point of the post was to introduce the concept of roleplaying to thoose who may not have ever done it or who may be interested in trying it. Nowhere in this thread have i seen. "you pg'ers rub me wrong go away"
I personaly found a lot of helpful info in this post. and hope other's contribute.
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I wasn't reffering to only this thread, there have been 3 or 4 that have fallen into the "RP is good, RP is bad" squabbling. As long as this thread dosent digress into that then it's ok, leave it open. oh, for the record, I do like roleplaying about half the time, one of the more interesting things to do with possessed familiars :D
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Post by Throst54 »

yep.. we sure are listed in PW-Action it seems...

where do you get the reaction that just b/c a person Rp's a lot they dont get any 'action'.. yea! RPers get lots of action! Role Playing is just as good a way to get action as Powergaming is. In fact, RolePlaying makes the action even better.
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That is a very disturbing view into Throst's love life...
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Re: ON ROLEPLAYING

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Sir Sean wrote: Another aspect of roleplaying is separation of character and player knowledge. For example, if I'm playing a Drow Cleric in SL, she won't know that all the LA players are going to be taking part in a raid on the Bandit HQ at a certain time just because my LA character was invited to take part. Thus, it would be out-of-character knowledge and I wouldn't use it to schedule a raid on LA. Now, if a Drow assassin had found himself in a position to eavesdrop on some LA characters boasting about how 'the whole faction is going to wipe out the bandits next Tuesday', that's in-character knowledge... and the Last Alliance is probably gonna get pwned. :twisted:
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Post by Dallas17 »

funny, on my arena server Bastions of War the creator and server host on april first announced to everyone that BoW was going RP, (this is a hardcore arena server) that everyone was to have good reasons from now on as to why they chose those classes, and were to try and do thier best to RP at all times, party chat would be banned, talking OOC would be banned, shouts would be banned.. this was completely outta nowhere..

the funny part is, there were about 20 posts that day from people, and not a single one was negative, they all said sure, we'll try it. and were in favor of giving somthing a shot. i kid you not, there wasn't a single person that complained, and this is an arena server, where power building and leveling as fast as you can is all there really is..

for that day everyone followed these rules as best they could on this server, and this is a popular server, (2 servers always full 34/34) the vets on the server spread the word, there was a sign explaining the new rules, etc.. people actually tried it, it was very funny to say the least.. then we all found out it was an april fools joke at the end of the day, i guessed it from the begining, but it was funny and fun to take part in.. seeing an arena server go RP (the server does have a background story, etc.. so it worked.. somwhat)

wish people on Neversummer were more open minded :/ in all my RP experiance, it NEVER works unless it's enforced, ever. but even more importantly, it never works unless the player base all wants it.. Neversummer looks like it'll be an absolutely astounding creation.. sad it's to be ravaged by the hak and slash hordes..
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