Bigby's

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 5:35 pm

What happened to those spells? Is there any way to resist these things. I can't figure them out, they just randomly KD stuff and do damage.

JesterOI · Post by **JesterOI** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:24 pm

The bigby spells are different in that they don't have saves, but some have str checks and stuff like that to be made in order to avoid the effects of the spells.

Spell resistance works for them.

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:31 am

I would like to know the numbers on those str checks. I play RDD with maxed str and yet I get KDed by that thing.

Wolfarus · Post by **Wolfarus** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:41 am

Ive been told the STR check on any of the bigby's spells is a +10.

So that would be a STR of 30 to resist the big's spells

(not sure if thats a "natural" str check (read : no buffs on yer str of any kind, including equippment) or just the number you'd need, buffs included. Still seems a tad high though. Maybe lower the check to a +8?

HealingBreeze · Post by **HealingBreeze** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:19 pm

Wolfarus wrote:Ive been told the STR check on any of the bigby's spells is a +10.

So that would be a STR of 30 to resist the big's spells

That's not that high of a check, though maybe Spell Resistance could give you a bonus to the check, rather than just lowering the STR. Maybe every 10 SR you have gives you a +1 modifier bonus?

SmurfZG · Post by **SmurfZG** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 12:34 pm

I think the forceful bigby has a str check of 14 + casters strength

Ragefist · Post by **Ragefist** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 4:46 pm

Interesting, I have broken the spell's grasp on a semi-regular basis, but I don't have a str bonus above 6 or 7 . . . . is there some other factor. Is it performing a real grapple check when it attacks you? If that were the case, then the grapple rules might apply, which rules are uber retarded and rather complicated.

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 5:37 pm

I had 40 STR buffed 31 base. Magic-Foo casted bigby. It knockdowned me 4 rounds in a row. Which is how long I lasted. Is it just me or is there something wrong with 40 STR not being enough? I am full STR RDD and if I can't resist that stuff how can any other class????

Before devs totally ruined(yes I call being KDed 90% of the time overpowered) bigby's lvl 9 and 8 had fort saves and stuff. I mean at least make a normal STR check or discipline check. And to top it all, if you manage to break the grip it will still get you in the next round.

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:27 pm

This is silly. Attacked the dude few more times and guess what? Always got KDed by bigby while he was dealing 240 damage per round. Yep he was casting 2 spells per round. I suspect he used item swaping bug though he could have quicken. But in the next fight I used a bigby scroll on him. It worked and KDed him. Of course I couldn't kill him with his warding he had like 2000HP. I assume he has about 10 to 15 STR. But he was up 50% of the time!!!! When he got one bigby on me I was down 75% of the time. One round KDed while he wasn't was fatal. Anyway if checks are STR based how can anyone explain this. Mage with low STR breaks the check more than 40 STR fighter does. What's wrong with devs? You can't have disabling spells that work randomly like that.

Another broken spell I see was Negative energy burst. Target gets STR drained even if the save succeeds. WTF?

This is a rant, but seriously. What is with all these no save disablers?

Max Power · Post by **Max Power** » Thu Aug 26, 2004 10:42 pm

I thought bigby's was a discipline check?

Denort · Post by **Denort** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 3:39 am

Spura wrote:Another broken spell I see was Negative energy burst. Target gets STR drained even if the save succeeds. WTF?

Correct me if I am wrong but thats the way Negative Energy Burst has always been. A successful save reduces the damage, not the strength loss.

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 10:24 am

Denort wrote:
Spura wrote:Another broken spell I see was Negative energy burst. Target gets STR drained even if the save succeeds. WTF?
Correct me if I am wrong but thats the way Negative Energy Burst has always been. A successful save reduces the damage, not the strength loss.

*Smacks his head* Forgot lol.

SmurfZG · Post by **SmurfZG** » Fri Aug 27, 2004 11:38 am

Spura wrote:This is silly. Attacked the dude few more times and guess what? Always got KDed by bigby while he was dealing 240 damage per round. Yep he was casting 2 spells per round. I suspect he used item swaping bug though he could have quicken. But in the next fight I used a bigby scroll on him. It worked and KDed him. Of course I couldn't kill him with his warding he had like 2000HP. I assume he has about 10 to 15 STR. But he was up 50% of the time!!!! When he got one bigby on me I was down 75% of the time. One round KDed while he wasn't was fatal. Anyway if checks are STR based how can anyone explain this. Mage with low STR breaks the check more than 40 STR fighter does. What's wrong with devs? You can't have disabling spells that work randomly like that.

Another broken spell I see was Negative energy burst. Target gets STR drained even if the save succeeds. WTF?

This is a rant, but seriously. What is with all these no save disablers?

when you've failed the check, you'll be knocked for 1 round/casterlvl. the scroll probably just has less spell lvls

Spura · Post by **Spura** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:08 am

SmurfZG wrote:
Spura wrote:This is silly. Attacked the dude few more times and guess what? Always got KDed by bigby while he was dealing 240 damage per round. Yep he was casting 2 spells per round. I suspect he used item swaping bug though he could have quicken. But in the next fight I used a bigby scroll on him. It worked and KDed him. Of course I couldn't kill him with his warding he had like 2000HP. I assume he has about 10 to 15 STR. But he was up 50% of the time!!!! When he got one bigby on me I was down 75% of the time. One round KDed while he wasn't was fatal. Anyway if checks are STR based how can anyone explain this. Mage with low STR breaks the check more than 40 STR fighter does. What's wrong with devs? You can't have disabling spells that work randomly like that.

Another broken spell I see was Negative energy burst. Target gets STR drained even if the save succeeds. WTF?

This is a rant, but seriously. What is with all these no save disablers?
when you've failed the check, you'll be knocked for 1 round/casterlvl. the scroll probably just has less spell lvls

Um no, I don't think that's the case in NS. I have been knocked down for 1 rounds and sometimes a bit more.

AndrewCarr · Post by **AndrewCarr** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:02 pm

Using bull's str really seems to help a lot vs bigby's. My dex chars usually get knocked down about 95% of the time, maybe getting up once after having 2 bigby's cast on me. Using bull's str i break it about half the time.