Hey, i've been looking for a certain area, and, being evil, i found a newbie, and said tell me or die (RP-wise). However, saying he didn't know, he said that if he did know, he wouldn't tell me, because i'm not allowed to carry out my threat, and i'd be reported for greifing followed by a ban/etc., thus my 2 questions:
A) Can i kill newbs who are asking for it (not actually asking for it, but taunting me into it, saying they are protected by the law/DMs etc etc "hahaha")
B) Is what i did considered griefing thus deserving of a severe punishment etc. (because the guy is gonna send in the screenshots of my chat and is saying that's i'm gonna be severly punished)
Rule question concerning PvP
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Re: Rule question concerning PvP
LOL, this is what I'm talking about, it's players like you that ruin it for everyone else. "Tell me or die! (RP wise)" I strongly suspect you probably took evil alignment so you could kill those weaker than you. And "Tell me or die!" is probably not the way to get something you want regardless of your alignment, and your claim he was taunting you because he said he would get you banned for griefing is not really a taunt, "tell me or die" on the other hand, is. Too funny... too pathetic. You should be banned.Knightwing4 wrote:Hey, i've been looking for a certain area, and, being evil, i found a newbie, and said tell me or die (RP-wise). However, saying he didn't know, he said that if he did know, he wouldn't tell me, because i'm not allowed to carry out my threat, and i'd be reported for greifing followed by a ban/etc., thus my 2 questions:
A) Can i kill newbs who are asking for it (not actually asking for it, but taunting me into it, saying they are protected by the law/DMs etc etc "hahaha")
B) Is what i did considered griefing thus deserving of a severe punishment etc. (because the guy is gonna send in the screenshots of my chat and is saying that's i'm gonna be severly punished)
I wouldn't worry about his screenshots unless you did actually kill him. Even then, the DMs seem AFK lately and probably wouldn't end up doing anything about it anyway. I've been griefed 3 or 4 times without provocation, but oh well. I'll just keep building up my sorcerer until one day...far off in the distance, I will have the chance to follow a griefer from server to server for months on end ruining each and every game they play in until they quit in tears out of sheer frustration. Or until I get bored of NWN and start playing something else, whichever comes first....
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I say you should have killed him. But I'm not a DM so keep that in mind. :)
I'd have killed him.
I'd have killed him.
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You did this to [IU]Nicodemous, really? Cause I don't recall that....how odd. If I had a screenshot of you doing this, I would have sent it already.Knightwing4 wrote:oh btw, the guy i was talking about is baconstrip here
BTW: Everyone who says, "I would have killed him," you are cutting your own throats with this mod. Newbies are the future of the mod, the more you grief, the more you push them away to other mods and other servers.
This guy says he was roleplaying his character, I say, yeah right. Being evil doesn't give you the right to prey on newbies, otherwise every would-be griefer would just play an evil character.
*unofficial comment*
The guidelines are in place to keep griefers at bay, however if you have a valid reason to give a lower level player an "attitude check" I see no reason not to as long as its not a habit. Face it you dont have to be high level to be mouthy, you just have to be high level to back it up.
The guidelines are in place to keep griefers at bay, however if you have a valid reason to give a lower level player an "attitude check" I see no reason not to as long as its not a habit. Face it you dont have to be high level to be mouthy, you just have to be high level to back it up.
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So next time I'm on, I can threaten level 1s with my level 10 and when they say something back, I can slaughter them. SWEET!!!! Thanks DM, I'll quote you on that if I ever get into hot water with the other DMs and DEVs.TGPO wrote:*unofficial comment*
The guidelines are in place to keep griefers at bay, however if you have a valid reason to give a lower level player an "attitude check" I see no reason not to as long as its not a habit. Face it you dont have to be high level to be mouthy, you just have to be high level to back it up.
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Did you see the nice red "Unofficial Comment" line? He means don't quote him. :P
What it boils down to: Killing a low level is fine if you don't hunt them down repeatedly. If they're mouthy to you then they need to be taught to remember they're still weak. If you're low level and you attack a higher level you'll most likely die. It's called a low level griefing a higher level if they come back repeatedly and run themselves into their sword. :P
For me, it becomes griefing when you do it repeatedly.
What it boils down to: Killing a low level is fine if you don't hunt them down repeatedly. If they're mouthy to you then they need to be taught to remember they're still weak. If you're low level and you attack a higher level you'll most likely die. It's called a low level griefing a higher level if they come back repeatedly and run themselves into their sword. :P
For me, it becomes griefing when you do it repeatedly.
If you tilt your head far enough and squint hard enough, anything becomes as simple or complex as you'd like--regardless of whether it is or not. -- A lesson learned from Stephen Wolfram's A New Kind of Science
Baconstrip, ask some of the older players, the fastest way to get on my bad side is start playing word games with me, or twisting what I say out of context as you just did.
A DMs ruling in the field is final, no amount of forum debate or discussion will ever reverse it. You will also note that I said as long as its not a habit. I also prefaced it with "unofficial".
A DMs ruling in the field is final, no amount of forum debate or discussion will ever reverse it. You will also note that I said as long as its not a habit. I also prefaced it with "unofficial".
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Doesn't matter if you call it "unofficial", as you are in a position of authority and people take DMs words as law. You gave an unofficial ruling in this case that it was okay for him to kill a newbie who did nothing but tell him to stop griefing him. If this is considered "attitude", then anything should be considered such. Maybe if the newbie ignores you after you say "Tell me or die", that would be considered the cold shoulder and therefore reasoning for pk.TGPO wrote:Baconstrip, ask some of the older players, the fastest way to get on my bad side is start playing word games with me, or twisting what I say out of context as you just did.
A DMs ruling in the field is final, no amount of forum debate or discussion will ever reverse it. You will also note that I said as long as its not a habit. I also prefaced it with "unofficial".
If you instigate, you probably should have thicker skin as to what gets tossed back at you. If you instigate and the newbie attacks you, by all means kill him. But to pk someone for tossing the crap back in your face after you started it? Come on, we are all grown up enough to realize what is right and wrong, and leaving it up to the players to decide what is "attitude" is probably a little dangerous anyway. I would fair to say that anyone who just walks up to a random player and says something like "tell me x information or die" is probably a habitual pk.
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KIll him I say! Baconstrip sounds like some of the other whiners of late. I have been in areas and usually leave others alone, but on occasion I'll demand some sort of "toll" for getting by me. Usually 100 gp or something mundane like that.
So far the 5-6 times I've done that i have gotten the "pike-off" reply. A couple of more resouceful fellows turned in ivis and scurried away. In these two cases I left them a couple of nice magic items and vacated the area. The others that I did kill if they didnt whine about it i would leave something too.
Point is, if you state your intention, "the ball's now in his/her court". Much better then some of the crummy little sneak attacks other have perped on me.
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So far the 5-6 times I've done that i have gotten the "pike-off" reply. A couple of more resouceful fellows turned in ivis and scurried away. In these two cases I left them a couple of nice magic items and vacated the area. The others that I did kill if they didnt whine about it i would leave something too.
Point is, if you state your intention, "the ball's now in his/her court". Much better then some of the crummy little sneak attacks other have perped on me.
Gaston (BoC)