Camping

[billybob]

Is it OK for a high level pc to camp at Avendell and slaughter low levels?

Thought it sucks.

Have not been on since, but would like DM answer before I log on again.

[Amoenotep]

camp as in stay in one area and kill anyone that comes through?

[Rufio]

well, I'm not very good about keeping track of rules, but if that happens while I am around I'll come pk them.

There are pk limits and rules about claiming maps though, so someone that knows better about that can let you know what is allowed.

[Bargeld]

Yes you can camp ave crossing. If you are camping ave crossing, you must allow people to exit through the dark forest and head west or east from there. If they use the portal to dark forest, then head south to the crossing, they are a legal kill.

And there are NO rules regarding 'claiming' an area.

[northstar_08]

Yeah, I would not be too pleased if I was PK'd by a high level when trying to enter Avendell.

On the plus side, a Role play Shout (not just one to complain) would most likely get lots of willing people to partake in a little PvP.

I believe someone is only allowed to legally PK u 3 times but I may be wrong. The person being PK'd is supposed to move to a new area but the issue is avendell crossing is an area that low levels cannot really avoid. So maybe not technically against the rules. I'd send a Role Play shout and see if somoneone would come take care of the problem the next time it happens

[Bargeld]

The 3 pk rule only applies if on different maps. Here is the most extreme example:

Fighting furiously in Avendell... run up to dark forest, see a lowbie and kill it. He dies and respawns to ave. He then runs out of ave main exit and I kill him at the crossing. He respawns back to Ave. This time he exits through the portal to dark forest. I happen to be at dark forest again, and kill him a 3rd time. So far, all of this is fair. The next kill is the determining factor... if I kill that lowbie in dark forest... all is good. Actually, I can now sit in dark forest and continually kill him as many times as I want. But if he exits through avendell main exit and into ave crossing, since the areas have changed, I can no longer kill him.

Since that situation really rides the extreme edge of the rules, many think it is excessive PKing and the typical reaction is that you have overstepped your bounds, but the simple fact s that you killed a guy 3 times legally, and on the last kill you decided to camp the Dark Forest, which allows you to continue the kill streak if you like. A victim that is knowledgable of the the rules should know that they are free to leave avendell through the main entrance/exit. If it were me in this situation (and it has been) I would go out to ave crossing and taunt the assailants... just to prove the point.

More often than not, the lowbie gets angry and thinks there are in the right and will try to taunt the assailant without knowing the rules. They will get killed over and over spouting off that they will get you banned for what you are doing. But no rule has yet been broken. It's even funnier when (given the example above) the lowbie has the freedom to escape through ave crossing, and goes out to taunt the assailant, but in their ignorance, they initiate the first offensive move... this then opens the door to another kill since it was povoked. I love it when they do that

For the record, a group is often considered a single entity for PK rules. In other words, if you have 3 guys at avendell as a group, your kills on that lowbie are shared. This is to avoid each of us getting 3 kills, resulting in 9 or more PKs on that same guy across different areas. Given the example above... if I am camping DF after that 3rd kill, I can't have a cohort sitting in ave waiting to kill him if he exits there.

[Amoenotep]

and if you continue to kill the same guy over and over for like 10 times when your camping an area...a dm will tell you to let them pass because its not sport to at that time. its just cruelty.

[Bargeld]

The victim's options also should be weighed... for example, if you are camping outside the tent at angmar oasis (a spawn point). You have to use some common sense and move along after a couple kills because the victim doesn't really have any options as far as avoiding you and getting away. The less options the victim has, the less you get to kill them.

If that guy keeps coming out the ave portal to DF, i WILL kill him until he stops. I will be gracious enough to inform him that he is free to use the main exit, hence providing him with his own choice and destiny. If he comes back to get killed again, that is is own fault.

And yeah, campers usually hope for shouts for help... it means a decent fight (hopefully).

[DM_Sultan]

Actually Tep, a diety will probably appear and end the camping session because abuse brings that kind of response.

Unless the player is actually attacking you each time he exits, the 3 PK rule will apply. If he or his summon attacks, he is fair game. Frustrating another player to the point they don't want to log onto the server any more is an offense on the person doing it, in my book, just to give a heads up to any who wish to be rules lawyers when I'm online. Telling a DM what the rules are is always a bad idea.

Sultan

[Finnoker]

I just thought it was highlvls toons in the fight outside ave..

Are you bind in ave you should have b able to jump right to DF.

It was fun anyway to bad not evryone thought so..

[Delisha Zrazorian]

Greetings billybob!

Indeed we can feel your frustration, our Fury lowbies have been restlessly hunted and PKed by high levels since we came to this world.
In fact it’s much safer for lowbies here now than even a year ago, some of the worst offenders have wondered off…

Can’t say some of our problems aren’t self-inflicted though, as we are kinda mouthy and will fight anyone at anytime…

Hell, when we just started gaming on this world, we attacked a pair of 40s with our 11s…

But still it can get mighty unfun real quickly, particularly if time is precious and you just want to level up so you have a fighting chance!

You can, however, learn from every experience no matter how one-sided…
What is your enemies first move? Does he always fight the same?
What weapon is he/she using? Armor? Shield? Summons?

What you learn being PKed at low levels can help you later on…

We Furys are on a lot… shoot us a tell and we’ll run with you if we can…

Long Live NeverSummer! Hail Fury!


at your service,
DZ

[DM Ireheart]

Camping a high level toon at a low level area just to kill lowbies that are traveling through and keeping them from leveling would be considered bad sportsmanship, and is extremely discouraged. Now on the other hand, if a high level toon takes control of an area and anounces on shout that a toll will be required to pass through, that player is inviting other players to come and try to evict the high level toon from the area. Havok and Kromix used to do this many times on giant mountain, just for the PvP aspect of it.

[Monkey]

It's just a game, and you can do whatever you want to but...

I think there's something seriously wrong with a person who enjoys killing lowbies with their high level toons. Maybe they're compensating for being weak, bullied and/or powerless in real life. Maybe they're just rotten people who enjoy watching others suffer. Maybe they're just desperate for attention of any kind.

Whatever the case, I have a very low opinion of the lowbie pk'ers, and generally would not want to invite them into my parties or help them level. IMO the server would be better off without them and this type of behavior.

[Snookz Eaglin]

I mostly don't mind being pk'ed on a lowbie, especially when it's clear that the pk'er just wants to attract other 40s and start a fight, which is most of the time. Worst thing that can happen is that you have to level somewhere else (Which can be pretty hard for someone new to the server). I feel it makes the whole server less predictable - and after all, the different teams are at war with each other.

I remember the first time I ever went to Avendell, I got random pk'ed right outside the gate (before I could bind). Didn't make me leave the server, rather encouraged me to stick to it as it gave me a feeling that this is a scary and chaotic world.

[Shadowalker]

it gave me a feeling that this is a scary and chaotic world.

You should see Twigs green house.