Questions

[Twiggy]

after reading on the wiki that divine favor has been changed manily because of clerics.
Can the pally spell regain the duration originally attributed? one turn is very low for a spell.

also as far as summoning goes.

# Planar summons receive a stat bonus for the following subraces. Aasamir, Tiefling, Githzerai, Air Genasi, Earth Genasi, Fire Genasi and Water Genasi.
# Planar summons will receive a stat bonus when cast by a Cleric with either Good Domain or Evil Domain Power feats.


So if u were a aasimar cleric with good domain would your summons be boosted twice? or just once?


Also what spell type are bigby's? I see both Evo (was told evo too) and Conjuration. Where these changed?


Power word kill and stun are of no use at higher lvls are they?

[mining]

Ahem.

DF was always 1 turn.

Yes
Conjuration
Stylish kill from PWK.

[Twiggy]

Ahh ur right about DF, i saw they changed the spell because of clerics and thought the duration was changed.

# Divine Favor, Divine Power, and many other clerical spells have been changed on Neversummer 4 to shift Clerics' position to that of a party support member.
# Divine Favor, Divine Power always last 1 Turn, extendable.


Description: The caster gains a +1 bonus to Attack Bonus, attack and weapon damage rolls for every three caster levels.

* AB is capped at 3 now, and damage is static at 5*.
* The bonus damage from divine favor is no longer magical but physical.
* Divine Favor does not last an extra turn when extended.


also what is PWK and did u answer the Bigsby question?

oh and i am assuming you are saying that the summons would be boosted twice.

[Amoenotep]

PWK and PWS are divination spells that auto hit when your target is at a certain hp lvl. one stuns and one kills...no save.

your focus in divination makes the hp values go up so at ESF divination i think you could outright kill someone with PWK at like 250 hp? no save...can't remember the exact cutoffs though.

[mining]

PWK and PWS are divination spells that auto hit when your target is at a certain hp lvl. one stuns and one kills...no save.

your focus in divination makes the hp values go up so at ESF divination i think you could outright kill someone with PWK at like 250 hp? no save...can't remember the exact cutoffs though.

I thought it was only 175 with ESF.

[Amoenotep]

didn't read that part i said i couldn't remember the exact cutoffs on hp?

[Twiggy]

ahhh, ok darn acronyms

yeah cutoff for pwk is 175. which makes it useless after lvl 20 cause everyone and their mother has 300 plus hp.....

took me a little but i got what you where saying in ur post mining.

[Amoenotep]

lol...outright killing someone at nearly 200hp is useless? do you want your easy button too?

[mining]

lol...outright killing someone at nearly 200hp is useless? do you want your easy button too?

Yeah, given thats, what, a maxed flame arrow from a pure caster against a non evader, or a pair of IGMS from anything else

[Twiggy]

does it do 175 damage? or do nothing if u have more than 175 hp?

Does this work if u get them down to 175 health too? or only works on someone with 175 max hp?

that's the way i saw it btw, only affecting people with 175 max health. and if it does no damage to people with health over 175 then how would u know when to cast it. U would be better casting another spell. Wail if u pass their save kills outright. maybe making PWK a damage spell instead of outright kill would be nice. and maybe make PWS a daze(?) spell?

[mining]

does it do 175 damage? or do nothing if u have more than 175 hp?

Does this work if u get them down to 175 health too? or only works on someone with 175 max hp?

that's the way i saw it btw, only affecting people with 175 max health. and if it does no damage to people with health over 175 then how would u know when to cast it. U would be better casting another spell. Wail if u pass their save kills outright. maybe making PWK a damage spell instead of outright kill would be nice. and maybe make PWS a daze(?) spell?

Their power is in stopping relic runners.

[Jmana]

twiggy power word kill works when ANYONE is at 175 or less hp dont matter if your a barbarian with 1000hp soon as your damaged to 175 or less its auto dead no save.

As far as the Aasmir + good domain goes, yes your summon is boosted twice.

Not sure on bigby i was answered in another post that 7 and 9 are conjuration and evocation but could not get an answer on which is which.

Hope this helps

[--Ashe--]

Any spell that is "no save" is extremely strong irrespective. Just because the current maximum limit is 175hp (with ESF: Divination), hardly makes it useless beyond level 20. It doesn't take long to get hurt enough for a no save spell to take you out. The only real hinderance is for the mage to know exactly when is the best time to cast it (a barbs "near death" isn't the same as a sneak's "near death")

Given that a properly prepared mage can bigby stun or hinder a lot of builds (especially if the target is ill prepared); can potentially hellball kd; can dispel/mord/elude attack; can harry an attacker with a decent summons; may or may not be a pm blend able to withstand melee attacks; and given that said mage will obviously be widdling them down in a matter of rounds to within that hp spread with a lot of nasty damage spells... it can be fairly intimidating for a single attacker or small group.

Throw in certain other combinations (ie. wizard "opportunistic power word killer" sitting back til a target is in range of a no save murder) and things get real interesting for other builds.

Those spells are plenty strong enough considering what classes can use it.

[Tsavong]

And let us not forget the most important thing it look cool.


Killing with Power Word Kill because style counts.

[Twiggy]

lol. I would take PWK being changed to a flat out 175 damage spell instead of insta kill. Pretty much the same thing, but my way u can damage them whenever (instead of just when they are at 175 hp or less.) but that's just my preference. BTW Bigsby's are evo on the wizard in game log.