Broken rules

[neil420]

Allowed
You can hide a relic anywhere you can take the relics to.
You can relic raid as much as you want as long as it doesn't interfere with venge logging.
You can Defend your own relic with as many toons as you desire.

Disallowed
Relics will not enter neutral areas.
Relics will not be dropped to be unreachable (This is an exploit).
Trafficing of relics is prohibited. This means you cannot log a toon outside your destination faction to raid, and then drop that relic off to yourself. This is the same weather you are dual logged or if you have to relog your other toon to pick up the relic you dropped. (This is an exploit, as the relic system wasn't made to be used this way)

Please do not exploit the relic system, it is here for a good time, and we should all respect each other enough to not hinder that potential fun.

Amoenotep" wrote ...
technically you can run a relic anywhere you like and cap it. its in bad sport to do so, but you can. so yes, tc can raid sl and take to AO


"Amoenotep" wrote ...
dropping itself isn't bannable

dropping to yourself dual logged is highly frowned on...it just smells of all kinds of cheat


ok so i got banned for droping a relic to someone Not my self so i would just like to know what we did wrong thanks

[Joker_954]

Yea I'd like to know this too, since I was the other one banned here...

I'm not Neil, (I know everyone thinks that Neil is the only guy in AO/RK but he isn't lol) So I'd really like to know why I was banned for capping a relic in RK with an RK toon....

I've seen guys from MA drop for SL...

I've seen guys drop TC for NC and vice versa...

I'd like to know why there's a double standard here???...

[Ryddwillow]

Maybe some rules are coming about that should be there in the first place.

[Thorac27]

Guess the DM's had their reasons to do this i am not sure it needs to be brought up here for public conversation.

[Lokey]

I imagine for breaking event rules, not normal venge/relic rules. Tep didn't go into much detail (off hand comment I didn't pay too much attention to anyway).

Also see the relic defense rules which as far as I can tell are thoroughly impenetrable

[Tsavong]

Oh you were MO Trees?

If you look at the older events like this you will see what you did was against the spirit of the event.

• Allies running relics for their allies : This is not great. A sacred relic on your back, and your not going to deliver it to your home faction? Poor taste, I say.

http://www.nsrealm.com/public/ns/viewto ... &t=1000032

Edit, removed some stuff that did not seem relevant after Dalan's post.

[Thorac27]

Maybe a ban from this relic event altogether is in order if this is what happened?

[Dalan]

Trafficing of relics is prohibited. This means you cannot log a toon outside your destination faction to raid, and then drop that relic off to yourself. This is the same weather you are dual logged or if you have to relog your other toon to pick up the relic you dropped. (This is an exploit, as the relic system wasn't made to be used this way)

This is a fairly close description of what happened. Technically, the MA and RK pc's were not one person as described above, but the intent of the drop was along the same lines.

Faction A pc raids faction B (uncontested by faction B, because faction B pcs' are all throwing in with faction C) , then faction A pc drops the relic for faction C pc.

You could have accomplished the same goal by just using a faction C pc. That pc would have went hostile to faction B yes, but no one (player or dm) would have thought much about it. The incident was just pushing the envelope a bit too much.

[neil420]

so we did not brake a rule 1 was just made up on the spot cool all i needed to know

[MrAsimov]

I hope you are only about 12 years old, because you are acting like you are.

Have you read the commandments lately or ever? Here is a nice one quoted

XIII - It is the spirit of all commandments which is enforced and not the strict letter.

And then a nice quote from a couple years after the initial commandment post.

As always, it is the intent of the commandment and not the letter of the commandment that will be enforced.

This applies to all rules and not just commandments.

No double standards, no rules made up on the spot (Which incidently, a DM has the right to do anyway). This was a relic event, not normal raiding, and to start the event you had someone log in with an MA toon to steal a relic and drop it for someones RK toon to cap when clearly either of you could just have stolen the relic with an RK toon. This is obviously against the intent of the relic trafficing rule, you yourself quoted, that you arguing it was a rule made up on the spot is just a joke. I can't quite tell who you are trying to convince otherwise. Yourself perhaps?

[Amoenotep]

you were using backdoor tactics to inflate the relic capture points in your favor. frowned upon under normal circumstances, throw in a relic event that is actually designed to MAKE A TALLY OF THOSE POINTS and award the bravest faction for fighting its heart out. I chose to ban the players involved, i thought about disqualifying all factions benefiting it. take what you want.

[Rainswept]

So, it's "frowned upon" when we do it once, and when I put up a thread about it, and pages of conversation when it's done to us... not a word.

[Shamedmonkey]

So, it's "frowned upon" when we do it once, and when I put up a thread about it, and pages of conversation when it's done to us... not a word.

Of course. Everyone is against you -edit-DM Dalan-.

I wasn't there for the later half of the relic event, but during the first half nothing along what you're talking about happened.

[Amoenotep]

the best part is you guys are obviously not grasping the fact that when the points are being counted for an event...maybe we shouldn't use those tactics to inflate the scoreboad to win. you know..because maybe thats cheating in an event.

had it not been in the relic event i probably would have just killed anyone touching the relic for a while and collected dead bodies.

[Rainswept]

I'm simply asking when it became "frowned upon" and bannable, after I post a 4 page long thread discussing how people do stuff like this, and not a word was said.

I ASKED, got ignored, and then we got banned for it.